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Where do you place Kale in terms of power?
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I don't remember what you or I said and I'm not going to look it over, you decided to reply mad late.
You talked about me in the post I replied to you...

As for the topic, like its not enough the Broli w***ing around... Now there is Kale w***ing... Lol... Kale is not stronger than SSB Goku... Goku states he would put more power than before... That alone proves he was not at full power... He was just suppressed.. Just look at his KHH vs Zamasu and see the difference... Against SSjin 3 Goku its unknown how she would fare though... However she was weaker than SSjin 2 Caulifla before the ToP... I would say she gets stronger by rage....


SSB Goku > SSjin Berserker Kale > SSjin 2 Goku
Nobody w***s Broly anymore, they just downplay, same with Kale. "More power" Yes, he was not at FP, know why? Cause kaioken x10 is full power, not SSB. His Khh against Zamasu? Again with the visual feats >.> Remember Cell's khh that eclipsed the sky? Mass does not equate to power. Weaker than SSJ2 Cauliflia how?
cause she deflected a blast from kale meant to kill cabba
And...? Deflecting a blast isn't the same as being stronger than your opponent.
Thats something Cabba could not do.... Also it does mean strength wise
No it doesn't, Goku has deflected blasts from Beerus.
What blasts he deflected... Regardless the point was to show Caulifula did something Cabba could not so it means strength wise
All that proves is Cauliflia>Cabba
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Can't tell what you are trying to say
I don't remember what you or I said and I'm not going to look it over, you decided to reply mad late.
You talked about me in the post I replied to you...

As for the topic, like its not enough the Broli w***ing around... Now there is Kale w***ing... Lol... Kale is not stronger than SSB Goku... Goku states he would put more power than before... That alone proves he was not at full power... He was just suppressed.. Just look at his KHH vs Zamasu and see the difference... Against SSjin 3 Goku its unknown how she would fare though... However she was weaker than SSjin 2 Caulifla before the ToP... I would say she gets stronger by rage....


SSB Goku > SSjin Berserker Kale > SSjin 2 Goku
Nobody w***s Broly anymore, they just downplay, same with Kale. "More power" Yes, he was not at FP, know why? Cause kaioken x10 is full power, not SSB. His Khh against Zamasu? Again with the visual feats >.> Remember Cell's khh that eclipsed the sky? Mass does not equate to power. Weaker than SSJ2 Cauliflia how?
She has weaker than SSjin 2 Caulifula before the tournament.. Caulifula deflected her blast without trouble... Kaioken has nothong to do with SSB.. Its a technique by its own... Goku saying he would put more power than SSjin 2 should prove he doesnt need to be at full power... SSB goku was shown to fight against Jiren in DB Heroes and the opening... Kale is nothing for them anyway.. Hit was not scared pf her either... She is not a god tier fighter and she gains strength by rage...


Also who downplays Broli? Most people nowadays put him at the level he is deserved...
People still put Broly Below the likes of Cell, Bojack and Dabura. Who said anything about blue? I'm talking about his full-power. What's his full-power? Regular SSB or SSB kkx10? Which is stronger? Hmm, tough one....
Lol... You need to be educated boy.... Kaioken is not related to his power... Its a technique which multiplies his power... For example in the Saiyan Saga Gokus suppressed state was 5,000 but his full power was over 8,000... Goku can be suppressed at blue... He clearly didnt put all of his power... You can see him use more power towards the end against Kale when she was about to grab him which means he was powering up little by little... Broli is indeed below Bojack and Cell in movie 8 but in movie 10 he is at least above SPC and aeound SSjin 2 Goku...
He beat MSSJs handily, Bojack fought MSSJ Gohan with his gang. I understand what kaioken is, you're trying to come up with some weird technicality to argue that SSB kkx10 isn't his full power
Super Bojack fought CG Gohan and was clearly superior to him as he is Perfect Cell counterpart... M8 Broli beat 1st ROSAT ASSjin Vegeta and Trunks and M8 Goku is just based on his initial MSSjin state when he existed the rosat... Gohan is also based on that but really weak because he was not known to ne stronger so he didnt really beat such strong guys... M8 Goku is weaker than SSjinG3 Trunks.....

Again, Kaioken is a technique that multiplies Gokus power but regarless as he didnt use Kaioken vs Kale but he was still not going all out based on his words and his KHH... Goku was shown to battle Jiren and Toppo in blue and Kale is not in their level


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I don't remember what you or I said and I'm not going to look it over, you decided to reply mad late.
You talked about me in the post I replied to you...

As for the topic, like its not enough the Broli w***ing around... Now there is Kale w***ing... Lol... Kale is not stronger than SSB Goku... Goku states he would put more power than before... That alone proves he was not at full power... He was just suppressed.. Just look at his KHH vs Zamasu and see the difference... Against SSjin 3 Goku its unknown how she would fare though... However she was weaker than SSjin 2 Caulifla before the ToP... I would say she gets stronger by rage....


SSB Goku > SSjin Berserker Kale > SSjin 2 Goku
Nobody w***s Broly anymore, they just downplay, same with Kale. "More power" Yes, he was not at FP, know why? Cause kaioken x10 is full power, not SSB. His Khh against Zamasu? Again with the visual feats >.> Remember Cell's khh that eclipsed the sky? Mass does not equate to power. Weaker than SSJ2 Cauliflia how?
cause she deflected a blast from kale meant to kill cabba
And...? Deflecting a blast isn't the same as being stronger than your opponent.
Thats something Cabba could not do.... Also it does mean strength wise
No it doesn't, Goku has deflected blasts from Beerus.
What blasts he deflected... Regardless the point was to show Caulifula did something Cabba could not so it means strength wise
All that proves is Cauliflia>Cabba
No it proves Caulifula can do sometjing Cabba cant... And why? Because she is likely not weaker than Kale... This is pre ToP... I am not denying Kale beimg stronger than SSjin 2 Goku later

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Can't tell what you are trying to say
I don't remember what you or I said and I'm not going to look it over, you decided to reply mad late.
You talked about me in the post I replied to you...

As for the topic, like its not enough the Broli w***ing around... Now there is Kale w***ing... Lol... Kale is not stronger than SSB Goku... Goku states he would put more power than before... That alone proves he was not at full power... He was just suppressed.. Just look at his KHH vs Zamasu and see the difference... Against SSjin 3 Goku its unknown how she would fare though... However she was weaker than SSjin 2 Caulifla before the ToP... I would say she gets stronger by rage....


SSB Goku > SSjin Berserker Kale > SSjin 2 Goku
Nobody w***s Broly anymore, they just downplay, same with Kale. "More power" Yes, he was not at FP, know why? Cause kaioken x10 is full power, not SSB. His Khh against Zamasu? Again with the visual feats >.> Remember Cell's khh that eclipsed the sky? Mass does not equate to power. Weaker than SSJ2 Cauliflia how?
She has weaker than SSjin 2 Caulifula before the tournament.. Caulifula deflected her blast without trouble... Kaioken has nothong to do with SSB.. Its a technique by its own... Goku saying he would put more power than SSjin 2 should prove he doesnt need to be at full power... SSB goku was shown to fight against Jiren in DB Heroes and the opening... Kale is nothing for them anyway.. Hit was not scared pf her either... She is not a god tier fighter and she gains strength by rage...


Also who downplays Broli? Most people nowadays put him at the level he is deserved...
People still put Broly Below the likes of Cell, Bojack and Dabura. Who said anything about blue? I'm talking about his full-power. What's his full-power? Regular SSB or SSB kkx10? Which is stronger? Hmm, tough one....
Lol... You need to be educated boy.... Kaioken is not related to his power... Its a technique which multiplies his power... For example in the Saiyan Saga Gokus suppressed state was 5,000 but his full power was over 8,000... Goku can be suppressed at blue... He clearly didnt put all of his power... You can see him use more power towards the end against Kale when she was about to grab him which means he was powering up little by little... Broli is indeed below Bojack and Cell in movie 8 but in movie 10 he is at least above SPC and aeound SSjin 2 Goku...
He beat MSSJs handily, Bojack fought MSSJ Gohan with his gang. I understand what kaioken is, you're trying to come up with some weird technicality to argue that SSB kkx10 isn't his full power
Super Bojack fought CG Gohan and was clearly superior to him as he is Perfect Cell counterpart... M8 Broli beat 1st ROSAT ASSjin Vegeta and Trunks and M8 Goku is just based on his initial MSSjin state when he existed the rosat... Gohan is also based on that but really weak because he was not known to ne stronger so he didnt really beat such strong guys... M8 Goku is weaker than SSjinG3 Trunks.....

Again, Kaioken is a technique that multiplies Gokus power but regarless as he didnt use Kaioken vs Kale but he was still not going all out based on his words and his KHH... Goku was shown to battle Jiren and Toppo in blue and Kale is not in their level
She's not on that level cause you don't want her to be, you can't actually say why. kkx10 on top of Blue is his full power, period. There's no such thing as "resting SSJ" and your evidence for Cauliflia>Kale makes zero sense. You're the king of head-canons.
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I don't remember what you or I said and I'm not going to look it over, you decided to reply mad late.
You talked about me in the post I replied to you...

As for the topic, like its not enough the Broli w***ing around... Now there is Kale w***ing... Lol... Kale is not stronger than SSB Goku... Goku states he would put more power than before... That alone proves he was not at full power... He was just suppressed.. Just look at his KHH vs Zamasu and see the difference... Against SSjin 3 Goku its unknown how she would fare though... However she was weaker than SSjin 2 Caulifla before the ToP... I would say she gets stronger by rage....


SSB Goku > SSjin Berserker Kale > SSjin 2 Goku
Nobody w***s Broly anymore, they just downplay, same with Kale. "More power" Yes, he was not at FP, know why? Cause kaioken x10 is full power, not SSB. His Khh against Zamasu? Again with the visual feats >.> Remember Cell's khh that eclipsed the sky? Mass does not equate to power. Weaker than SSJ2 Cauliflia how?
She has weaker than SSjin 2 Caulifula before the tournament.. Caulifula deflected her blast without trouble... Kaioken has nothong to do with SSB.. Its a technique by its own... Goku saying he would put more power than SSjin 2 should prove he doesnt need to be at full power... SSB goku was shown to fight against Jiren in DB Heroes and the opening... Kale is nothing for them anyway.. Hit was not scared pf her either... She is not a god tier fighter and she gains strength by rage...


Also who downplays Broli? Most people nowadays put him at the level he is deserved...
People still put Broly Below the likes of Cell, Bojack and Dabura. Who said anything about blue? I'm talking about his full-power. What's his full-power? Regular SSB or SSB kkx10? Which is stronger? Hmm, tough one....
Lol... You need to be educated boy.... Kaioken is not related to his power... Its a technique which multiplies his power... For example in the Saiyan Saga Gokus suppressed state was 5,000 but his full power was over 8,000... Goku can be suppressed at blue... He clearly didnt put all of his power... You can see him use more power towards the end against Kale when she was about to grab him which means he was powering up little by little... Broli is indeed below Bojack and Cell in movie 8 but in movie 10 he is at least above SPC and aeound SSjin 2 Goku...
He beat MSSJs handily, Bojack fought MSSJ Gohan with his gang. I understand what kaioken is, you're trying to come up with some weird technicality to argue that SSB kkx10 isn't his full power
Super Bojack fought CG Gohan and was clearly superior to him as he is Perfect Cell counterpart... M8 Broli beat 1st ROSAT ASSjin Vegeta and Trunks and M8 Goku is just based on his initial MSSjin state when he existed the rosat... Gohan is also based on that but really weak because he was not known to ne stronger so he didnt really beat such strong guys... M8 Goku is weaker than SSjinG3 Trunks.....

Again, Kaioken is a technique that multiplies Gokus power but regarless as he didnt use Kaioken vs Kale but he was still not going all out based on his words and his KHH... Goku was shown to battle Jiren and Toppo in blue and Kale is not in their level
She's not on that level cause you don't want her to be, you can't actually say why. kkx10 on top of Blue is his full power, period. There's no such thing as "resting SSJ" and your evidence for Cauliflia>Kale makes zero sense. You're the king of head-canons.
kaioken is a technique that is supposed to help u surpass your limits no matter how strong you are or what limit you reach, so its not counted as that persons power

the term ''full power'' can be used loosley, not necessarily refering to the charcters full power potentail, just the state there in, like goku was going ''full power'' against vegeta, refering as he was using his ssj2 at full power, but not his Absolute general full power which at that time was ssj3
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You talked about me in the post I replied to you...

As for the topic, like its not enough the Broli w***ing around... Now there is Kale w***ing... Lol... Kale is not stronger than SSB Goku... Goku states he would put more power than before... That alone proves he was not at full power... He was just suppressed.. Just look at his KHH vs Zamasu and see the difference... Against SSjin 3 Goku its unknown how she would fare though... However she was weaker than SSjin 2 Caulifla before the ToP... I would say she gets stronger by rage....


SSB Goku > SSjin Berserker Kale > SSjin 2 Goku
Nobody w***s Broly anymore, they just downplay, same with Kale. "More power" Yes, he was not at FP, know why? Cause kaioken x10 is full power, not SSB. His Khh against Zamasu? Again with the visual feats >.> Remember Cell's khh that eclipsed the sky? Mass does not equate to power. Weaker than SSJ2 Cauliflia how?
She has weaker than SSjin 2 Caulifula before the tournament.. Caulifula deflected her blast without trouble... Kaioken has nothong to do with SSB.. Its a technique by its own... Goku saying he would put more power than SSjin 2 should prove he doesnt need to be at full power... SSB goku was shown to fight against Jiren in DB Heroes and the opening... Kale is nothing for them anyway.. Hit was not scared pf her either... She is not a god tier fighter and she gains strength by rage...


Also who downplays Broli? Most people nowadays put him at the level he is deserved...
People still put Broly Below the likes of Cell, Bojack and Dabura. Who said anything about blue? I'm talking about his full-power. What's his full-power? Regular SSB or SSB kkx10? Which is stronger? Hmm, tough one....
Lol... You need to be educated boy.... Kaioken is not related to his power... Its a technique which multiplies his power... For example in the Saiyan Saga Gokus suppressed state was 5,000 but his full power was over 8,000... Goku can be suppressed at blue... He clearly didnt put all of his power... You can see him use more power towards the end against Kale when she was about to grab him which means he was powering up little by little... Broli is indeed below Bojack and Cell in movie 8 but in movie 10 he is at least above SPC and aeound SSjin 2 Goku...
He beat MSSJs handily, Bojack fought MSSJ Gohan with his gang. I understand what kaioken is, you're trying to come up with some weird technicality to argue that SSB kkx10 isn't his full power
Super Bojack fought CG Gohan and was clearly superior to him as he is Perfect Cell counterpart... M8 Broli beat 1st ROSAT ASSjin Vegeta and Trunks and M8 Goku is just based on his initial MSSjin state when he existed the rosat... Gohan is also based on that but really weak because he was not known to ne stronger so he didnt really beat such strong guys... M8 Goku is weaker than SSjinG3 Trunks.....

Again, Kaioken is a technique that multiplies Gokus power but regarless as he didnt use Kaioken vs Kale but he was still not going all out based on his words and his KHH... Goku was shown to battle Jiren and Toppo in blue and Kale is not in their level
She's not on that level cause you don't want her to be, you can't actually say why. kkx10 on top of Blue is his full power, period. There's no such thing as "resting SSJ" and your evidence for Cauliflia>Kale makes zero sense. You're the king of head-canons.
kaioken is a technique that is supposed to help u surpass your limits no matter how strong you are or what limit you reach, so its not counted as that persons power

the term ''full power'' can be used loosley, not necessarily refering to the charcters full power potentail, just the state there in, like goku was going ''full power'' against vegeta, refering as he was using his ssj2 at full power, but not his Absolute general full power which at that time was ssj3
It's his full-power so it's full-power. And how is it any different from the SSJ forms which do the exact same thing, being, multiply his power?
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She's obviously stronger than Ssb Goku since she walked through his Kamehameha and overpowered him. Was that gokus strongest Kamehameha? Probably not, though that's irrelevant.

She scared Toppo whom is stronger than Ssb goku and needed to be personally stopped by jiren. It's kind of common sense at that point.

Kale being ssj3 Goku level is laughable.

Goku isn't going to use Ssb without using Ssb level power. Makes zero sense and the form is a stamina guzzler as stated in the beginning of the tournament.

If he wants to save energy he would just use god and conserve stamina like in the next episode.
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She's obviously stronger than Ssb Goku since she walked through his Kamehameha and overpowered him. Was that gokus strongest Kamehameha? Probably not, though that's irrelevant.

She scared Toppo whom is stronger than Ssb goku and needed to be personally stopped by jiren. It's kind of common sense at that point.

Kale being ssj3 Goku level is laughable.

Goku isn't going to use Ssb without using Ssb level power. Makes zero sense and the form is a stamina guzzler as stated in the beginning of the tournament.

If he wants to save energy he would just use god and conserve stamina like in the next episode.
>Kale is stronger than SSB Goku
>Goku goes full power and it does nothing
>Goku doesn't use Kaioken

...why? If Kale is that strong, not using Kaioken presents the massive risk of him getting knocked out, so why wouldn't he use it?
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She's obviously stronger than Ssb Goku since she walked through his Kamehameha and overpowered him. Was that gokus strongest Kamehameha? Probably not, though that's irrelevant.

She scared Toppo whom is stronger than Ssb goku and needed to be personally stopped by jiren. It's kind of common sense at that point.

Kale being ssj3 Goku level is laughable.

Goku isn't going to use Ssb without using Ssb level power. Makes zero sense and the form is a stamina guzzler as stated in the beginning of the tournament.

If he wants to save energy he would just use god and conserve stamina like in the next episode.
>Kale is stronger than SSB Goku
>Goku goes full power and it does nothing
>Goku doesn't use Kaioken

...why? If Kale is that strong, not using Kaioken presents the massive risk of him getting knocked out, so why wouldn't he use it?
Idunno, why didn't he use it against Buu, Cell and Black?
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She's obviously stronger than Ssb Goku since she walked through his Kamehameha and overpowered him. Was that gokus strongest Kamehameha? Probably not, though that's irrelevant.

She scared Toppo whom is stronger than Ssb goku and needed to be personally stopped by jiren. It's kind of common sense at that point.

Kale being ssj3 Goku level is laughable.

Goku isn't going to use Ssb without using Ssb level power. Makes zero sense and the form is a stamina guzzler as stated in the beginning of the tournament.

If he wants to save energy he would just use god and conserve stamina like in the next episode.
>Kale is stronger than SSB Goku
>Goku goes full power and it does nothing
>Goku doesn't use Kaioken

...why? If Kale is that strong, not using Kaioken presents the massive risk of him getting knocked out, so why wouldn't he use it?
Idunno, why didn't he use it against Buu, Cell and Black?
I dunno, because Kaioken is too strenuous to be used alongside Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan 2/Super Saiyan 3? Though, I know you'll probably just label that as 'head-canon'.
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She's obviously stronger than Ssb Goku since she walked through his Kamehameha and overpowered him. Was that gokus strongest Kamehameha? Probably not, though that's irrelevant.

She scared Toppo whom is stronger than Ssb goku and needed to be personally stopped by jiren. It's kind of common sense at that point.

Kale being ssj3 Goku level is laughable.

Goku isn't going to use Ssb without using Ssb level power. Makes zero sense and the form is a stamina guzzler as stated in the beginning of the tournament.

If he wants to save energy he would just use god and conserve stamina like in the next episode.
>Kale is stronger than SSB Goku
>Goku goes full power and it does nothing
>Goku doesn't use Kaioken

...why? If Kale is that strong, not using Kaioken presents the massive risk of him getting knocked out, so why wouldn't he use it?
Idunno, why didn't he use it against Buu, Cell and Black?
I dunno, because Kaioken is too strenuous to be used alongside Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan 2/Super Saiyan 3? Though, I know you'll probably just label that as 'head-canon'.
Well was it ever stated? Can you prove it's not head-canon? And you ignored the fact that he fought Black in SSB, so why no kaioken?
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She's obviously stronger than Ssb Goku since she walked through his Kamehameha and overpowered him. Was that gokus strongest Kamehameha? Probably not, though that's irrelevant.

She scared Toppo whom is stronger than Ssb goku and needed to be personally stopped by jiren. It's kind of common sense at that point.

Kale being ssj3 Goku level is laughable.

Goku isn't going to use Ssb without using Ssb level power. Makes zero sense and the form is a stamina guzzler as stated in the beginning of the tournament.

If he wants to save energy he would just use god and conserve stamina like in the next episode.
>Kale is stronger than SSB Goku
>Goku goes full power and it does nothing
>Goku doesn't use Kaioken

...why? If Kale is that strong, not using Kaioken presents the massive risk of him getting knocked out, so why wouldn't he use it?
Idunno, why didn't he use it against Buu, Cell and Black?
I dunno, because Kaioken is too strenuous to be used alongside Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan 2/Super Saiyan 3? Though, I know you'll probably just label that as 'head-canon'.
Well was it ever stated? Can you prove it's not head-canon? And you ignored the fact that he fought Black in SSB, so why no kaioken?
Alright, let me guess. If it isn't for any good reason, is it...gasp...character/plot induced stupidity?

He didn't use it against Black because he didn't get the opportunity, and using it would basically wreck his ability to be useful after that point, leading to Zamasu just killing all of them.
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She's obviously stronger than Ssb Goku since she walked through his Kamehameha and overpowered him. Was that gokus strongest Kamehameha? Probably not, though that's irrelevant.

She scared Toppo whom is stronger than Ssb goku and needed to be personally stopped by jiren. It's kind of common sense at that point.

Kale being ssj3 Goku level is laughable.

Goku isn't going to use Ssb without using Ssb level power. Makes zero sense and the form is a stamina guzzler as stated in the beginning of the tournament.

If he wants to save energy he would just use god and conserve stamina like in the next episode.
>Kale is stronger than SSB Goku
>Goku goes full power and it does nothing
>Goku doesn't use Kaioken

...why? If Kale is that strong, not using Kaioken presents the massive risk of him getting knocked out, so why wouldn't he use it?
Idunno, why didn't he use it against Buu, Cell and Black?
I dunno, because Kaioken is too strenuous to be used alongside Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan 2/Super Saiyan 3? Though, I know you'll probably just label that as 'head-canon'.
Well was it ever stated? Can you prove it's not head-canon? And you ignored the fact that he fought Black in SSB, so why no kaioken?
Alright, let me guess. If it isn't for any good reason, is it...gasp...character/plot induced stupidity?

He didn't use it against Black because he didn't get the opportunity, and using it would basically wreck his ability to be useful after that point, leading to Zamasu just killing all of them.
Not true, he used it against Merged Zamasu and was still useful. Now you're just making excuses cause you can't answer the question. I never said it was PIS
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She's obviously stronger than Ssb Goku since she walked through his Kamehameha and overpowered him. Was that gokus strongest Kamehameha? Probably not, though that's irrelevant.

She scared Toppo whom is stronger than Ssb goku and needed to be personally stopped by jiren. It's kind of common sense at that point.

Kale being ssj3 Goku level is laughable.

Goku isn't going to use Ssb without using Ssb level power. Makes zero sense and the form is a stamina guzzler as stated in the beginning of the tournament.

If he wants to save energy he would just use god and conserve stamina like in the next episode.
>Kale is stronger than SSB Goku
>Goku goes full power and it does nothing
>Goku doesn't use Kaioken

...why? If Kale is that strong, not using Kaioken presents the massive risk of him getting knocked out, so why wouldn't he use it?
Idunno, why didn't he use it against Buu, Cell and Black?
I dunno, because Kaioken is too strenuous to be used alongside Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan 2/Super Saiyan 3? Though, I know you'll probably just label that as 'head-canon'.
Well was it ever stated? Can you prove it's not head-canon? And you ignored the fact that he fought Black in SSB, so why no kaioken?
Alright, let me guess. If it isn't for any good reason, is it...gasp...character/plot induced stupidity?

He didn't use it against Black because he didn't get the opportunity, and using it would basically wreck his ability to be useful after that point, leading to Zamasu just killing all of them.
Not true, he used it against Merged Zamasu and was still useful. Now you're just making excuses cause you can't answer the question. I never said it was PIS
Are you ignoring that going against Black and Zamasu is an entirely different situation than going against just Merged Zamasu?

Okay, if it isn't PIS, why do you think Goku didn't use it against Kale?
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She's obviously stronger than Ssb Goku since she walked through his Kamehameha and overpowered him. Was that gokus strongest Kamehameha? Probably not, though that's irrelevant.

She scared Toppo whom is stronger than Ssb goku and needed to be personally stopped by jiren. It's kind of common sense at that point.

Kale being ssj3 Goku level is laughable.

Goku isn't going to use Ssb without using Ssb level power. Makes zero sense and the form is a stamina guzzler as stated in the beginning of the tournament.

If he wants to save energy he would just use god and conserve stamina like in the next episode.
>Kale is stronger than SSB Goku
>Goku goes full power and it does nothing
>Goku doesn't use Kaioken

...why? If Kale is that strong, not using Kaioken presents the massive risk of him getting knocked out, so why wouldn't he use it?
Idunno, why didn't he use it against Buu, Cell and Black?
I dunno, because Kaioken is too strenuous to be used alongside Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan 2/Super Saiyan 3? Though, I know you'll probably just label that as 'head-canon'.
Well was it ever stated? Can you prove it's not head-canon? And you ignored the fact that he fought Black in SSB, so why no kaioken?
back in the u6 vs u7 arc when goku first used kaioken, elder kai commented that super saiyan is strenuous in itself and uses alot of stamina, so using kaioken would be suicidal, then goku said it was possible with blue due to proper ki control and a calm mind
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