PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 23 2017, 10:32 PM

Why do you say likely? And no, I think in blue he has to be at least above SSJ God

ThePrinceOfSaiyans

Jul 23 2017, 10:34 PM

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 23 2017, 10:32 PM

Why do you say likely? And no, I think in blue he has to be at least above SSJ God

So Kuririn is Super Saiyan God tier then?

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 23 2017, 10:56 PM

ThePrinceOfSaiyans

Jul 23 2017, 10:34 PM

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 23 2017, 10:32 PM

Why do you say likely? And no, I think in blue he has to be at least above SSJ God

So Kuririn is Super Saiyan God tier then?

Did Krillin keep up with Blue? No. Krillin would lose to a regular SSJ, Goku used too much power. #17 and Kale were superior to his previous forms so that proves they're in the same ballpark. Suppressed or not SSB is above SSJ God. Answer me this, why couldnt SSB Goku break Kale's grip? If he was suppressed than its just a matter of powering up more. If he was suppressed in blue he wouldve powered up and broke her grip

ThePrinceOfSaiyans

Jul 23 2017, 11:02 PM

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 23 2017, 10:56 PM

ThePrinceOfSaiyans

Jul 23 2017, 10:34 PM

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 23 2017, 10:32 PM

Why do you say likely? And no, I think in blue he has to be at least above SSJ God

So Kuririn is Super Saiyan God tier then?

Did Krillin keep up with Blue? No. Krillin would lose to a regular SSJ, Goku used too much power. #17 and Kale were superior to his previous forms so that proves they're in the same ballpark. Suppressed or not SSB is above SSJ God. Answer me this, why couldnt SSB Goku break Kale's grip? If he was suppressed than its just a matter of powering up more. If he was suppressed in blue he wouldve powered up and broke her grip

I mean, he was able to maintain a struggle with Blue Goku. If Kuririn would lose to a regular Super Saiyan, that would mean Goku was holding back to a level below Super Saiyan when firing that Kamehameha, no? I don't recall Goku even trying to break that grip, so...

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 24 2017, 12:49 AM

ThePrinceOfSaiyans

Jul 23 2017, 11:02 PM

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 23 2017, 10:56 PM

ThePrinceOfSaiyans

Jul 23 2017, 10:34 PM

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 23 2017, 10:32 PM

Why do you say likely? And no, I think in blue he has to be at least above SSJ God

So Kuririn is Super Saiyan God tier then?

Did Krillin keep up with Blue? No. Krillin would lose to a regular SSJ, Goku used too much power. #17 and Kale were superior to his previous forms so that proves they're in the same ballpark. Suppressed or not SSB is above SSJ God. Answer me this, why couldnt SSB Goku break Kale's grip? If he was suppressed than its just a matter of powering up more. If he was suppressed in blue he wouldve powered up and broke her grip

I mean, he was able to maintain a struggle with Blue Goku. If Kuririn would lose to a regular Super Saiyan, that would mean Goku was holding back to a level below Super Saiyan when firing that Kamehameha, no? I don't recall Goku even trying to break that grip, so...

PIS and you know it. Can we at least agree she's above SSJ2 Goku? Cause if so then going by your logic SSJ Cabba>>>>>SSJ2 Goku. Cabba managed to hurt Kale a bit, Goku couldn't in f***ing blue, suppressed or not. Not trying to break the grip? You really don't give even an inch. He was holding on to her hand trying to break free. Same in SSJ2. But in SSJ2 his ki flared up cause he was raising his power. His ki didnt flare up in blue cause he was most likely at his limit.

ThePrinceOfSaiyans

Jul 24 2017, 01:02 AM

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 24 2017, 12:49 AM

ThePrinceOfSaiyans

Jul 23 2017, 11:02 PM

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 23 2017, 10:56 PM

ThePrinceOfSaiyans

Jul 23 2017, 10:34 PM

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 23 2017, 10:32 PM

Why do you say likely? And no, I think in blue he has to be at least above SSJ God

So Kuririn is Super Saiyan God tier then?

Did Krillin keep up with Blue? No. Krillin would lose to a regular SSJ, Goku used too much power. #17 and Kale were superior to his previous forms so that proves they're in the same ballpark. Suppressed or not SSB is above SSJ God. Answer me this, why couldnt SSB Goku break Kale's grip? If he was suppressed than its just a matter of powering up more. If he was suppressed in blue he wouldve powered up and broke her grip

I mean, he was able to maintain a struggle with Blue Goku. If Kuririn would lose to a regular Super Saiyan, that would mean Goku was holding back to a level below Super Saiyan when firing that Kamehameha, no? I don't recall Goku even trying to break that grip, so...

PIS and you know it. Can we at least agree she's above SSJ2 Goku? Cause if so then going by your logic SSJ Cabba>>>>>SSJ2 Goku. Cabba managed to hurt Kale a bit, Goku couldn't in f***ing blue, suppressed or not. Not trying to break the grip? You really don't give even an inch. He was holding on to her hand trying to break free. Same in SSJ2. But in SSJ2 his ki flared up cause he was raising his power. His ki didnt flare up in blue cause he was most likely at his limit.

That's your opinion I suppose. I don't see why a form with perfect Ki control couldn't be suppressed to Kuririn's level. Yeah, I can agree with that much. I mean, Cabba was getting visibly hurt, whereas Super Saiyan 2 Goku wasn't. I also imagine Cabba and crew trained at least a little for the Tournament. I'll give an inch when I think you're right, but I don't think you are. Goku showed no visible signs of a struggle. If he were at his limit in Blue, his Ki would have flared...

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 24 2017, 01:22 AM

She was throwing him around and it took him a minute to get up. He couldn't break her grip or hurt her so what do you mean he wasn't struggling? You're fanboying hard rn. Like I said his ki flared up in SSJ2, so why didnt it in blue when he couldnt break her grip? Yes, cause he was at his limit in blue. There was no reason for Goku to go blue against Krillin since Krillin didnt even prove he could beat SSJ1. So yeah its PIS

ThePrinceOfSaiyans

Jul 24 2017, 01:27 AM

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 24 2017, 01:22 AM

She was throwing him around and it took him a minute to get up. He couldn't break her grip or hurt her so what do you mean he wasn't struggling? You're fanboying hard rn. Like I said his ki flared up in SSJ2, so why didnt it in blue when he couldnt break her grip? Yes, cause he was at his limit in blue. There was no reason for Goku to go blue against Krillin since Krillin didnt even prove he could beat SSJ1. So yeah its PIS

A minute is a bit of an exaggeration, and Goku sustained no visible damage. I'm saying he didn't even try to break the grip. Even if he had, he didn't power up, so of course he'd struggle. Ya see, when you have to resort to "oh, you're just a fanboy", it tells me you have no real argument. His Ki flared as a Super Saiyan 2 because he was presumably using his full power. The same cannot be said for Blue. Last I checked, using your full power comes with an aura. I'd argue he did. Using a Kamehameha as a Super Saiyan would presumably have been harder to control. Blue has perfect Ki control. You can't just ignore these things because you don't like the implication.

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 24 2017, 01:48 AM

No, I call you a fanboy cause you're doing mental gymnastics for Goku and ignoring all evidence that contradicts your narrative. His ki didnt flare cause he was at full power already. Flaring ki means your power is rising. That's why it cools down after power-ups and transformations. No scratches and not struggling is just a really dumb argument. Yeah, he wasn't trying to break free, he was just holding her hand and chilling, like c'mon dude. It took him a minute to get up and if you wanna get all pedantic then fine. I'll argue that she knocked the blue out of him cause it took a minute for him to get up and when he did he was in base.

ThePrinceOfSaiyans

Jul 24 2017, 02:24 AM

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 24 2017, 01:48 AM

No, I call you a fanboy cause you're doing mental gymnastics for Goku and ignoring all evidence that contradicts your narrative. His ki didnt flare cause he was at full power already. Flaring ki means your power is rising. That's why it cools down after power-ups and transformations. No scratches and not struggling is just a really dumb argument. Yeah, he wasn't trying to break free, he was just holding her hand and chilling, like c'mon dude. It took him a minute to get up and if you wanna get all pedantic then fine. I'll argue that she knocked the blue out of him cause it took a minute for him to get up and when he did he was in base.

I'd say you're projecting, TBH. Not really. A Super Saiyan's aura usually stays with them for a while, but as the battle progresses it dissipates. I'll concede this isn't always the case, obviously, but this is a rather flimsy case for Goku being at full power when fighting Kale. There are also instances where characters flare their aura even though they're already at full power though. Vegeta and Nappa outright said they couldn't control their power levels, yet both flared their Ki at one point. I mean, what I'm saying is verifiable based on the video evidence, but you do you. Goku didn't seem to be trying too hard, if at all. She knocked the blue out of him at his current level I guess, sure. Goku doesn't seem all that concerned after getting knocked around tho.

It's clear to me you've already decided what you believe since you've started to argue I'm being disingenuous. We're going to have to agree to disagree at this point.

Tapey

Jul 24 2017, 07:19 AM

No excuses, I think its pretty established part of Goku's character, even Vegeta says this when Goku is fighting Black for the first time.

PikUpYourPantsPatrol

Jul 24 2017, 07:22 AM

Tapey

Jul 24 2017, 07:19 AM

No excuses, I think its pretty established part of Goku's character, even Vegeta says this when Goku is fighting Black for the first time.

Round 2 and against Kale he felt the need to go Blue