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Zeno destroying the multiverse
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Griffzilla	Jul 21 2017, 09:27 PM Post #16
Posts: 730 Group: Member Member #11,562 Joined: July 29, 2014 Gender Male	Ssj3vegito96 Jul 21 2017, 09:04 PM Spoiler: click to toggle theres a scene where a time ring vanishes. I think that's a sign that the whole timeline, meaning the multiverse, is gone Or it just got destroyed with Zamasu. If Zeno did bust u7 I doubt a ring would survive.
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highwaysaiyan	Jul 23 2017, 06:14 AM Post #17
Posts: 335 Group: Member Member #12,757 Joined: November 11, 2015	Griffzilla Jul 20 2017, 06:36 AM With the newest chapter of the manga being released I keep seeing people talk about how Zeno destroyed the future multiverse just like he did in the anime. I question this tho. Is there any evidence that points to Zeno destroying anything other than just the future universe 7? If so I'd love to see it. I'm convinced that he only busted a singular universe. then why did zeno just stayed there to float around (in the anime) and left the future with goku ? the only reason i see is there is nothing left. we also know that he did delete 6 universes before when being upset, so he has the power to do so. and we know from the recent arc that he believes there are too many universes anyway, so "why not". Edited by highwaysaiyan, Jul 23 2017, 06:17 AM.



Griffzilla	Jul 23 2017, 09:01 AM Post #18
Posts: 730 Group: Member Member #11,562 Joined: July 29, 2014 Gender Male	"Why not" is not conclusive. I was asking for evidence. Zeno was floating out in nothing because an entire universe just got wiped out. Probably kind of hard to see another universe from there. Also he left with Goku bc he's a child and Goku basically offered him candy.
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highwaysaiyan	Jul 23 2017, 04:16 PM Post #19
Posts: 335 Group: Member Member #12,757 Joined: November 11, 2015	Griffzilla Jul 23 2017, 09:01 AM "Why not" is not conclusive. I was asking for evidence. Zeno was floating out in nothing because an entire universe just got wiped out. Probably kind of hard to see another universe from there. Also he left with Goku bc he's a child and Goku basically offered him candy. he is not a child. he is the almighty. gods and humans are not on the same level, you cant judge a god with human standards. and about evidence, i dont see any evidence from you except from a translation of the manga (note that in japanese there is no plural). the world of dragon ball has 12 universes. each looks like a round thing with many levels (i guess you saw the picture). lets assume he deleted that place. in that case he would be at the dark neutral space. (gods of destruction tournament arc) but it wasnt. both the universe and the darkness was deleted. everything was gone. so that probably means he deleted future trunks universe and the dark neutral space. and if he did both, he surely deleted the entire multiverse with it. how can there be 11 universes without a neutral space between them ? Edited by highwaysaiyan, Jul 23 2017, 04:29 PM.



Zoom	Jul 23 2017, 11:59 PM Post #20
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Greenough Jul 21 2017, 05:57 PM Zoom Jul 21 2017, 09:55 AM I don't get this science stuff, but how can they be different multi verses based from future and present time travel? Time alterations of the past make the time rings and the Supreme Kais can travel to them. During Cell arc, F. Trunks and Cell created different timelines but all of them are considered to be part of universe 7. The future and past timelines should be one space-time continuum in that universe.



+ Son-Goku	Jul 24 2017, 12:02 AM Post #21
孫悟空 Posts: 13,358 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Zoom Jul 23 2017, 11:59 PM Greenough Jul 21 2017, 05:57 PM Zoom Jul 21 2017, 09:55 AM I don't get this science stuff, but how can they be different multi verses based from future and present time travel? Time alterations of the past make the time rings and the Supreme Kais can travel to them. During Cell arc, F. Trunks and Cell created different timelines but all of them are considered to be part of universe 7. The future and past timelines should be one space-time continuum in that universe. No they're not. Which is why all Supreme Kais of all universes have time rings to the same time alterations. Edit: Where did you get that idea? If that were the case there wouldn't be two Zamasus, Gowasus, Zen'ohs, etc. Edited by Son-Goku, Jul 24 2017, 12:02 AM.
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Zoom	Jul 24 2017, 12:22 AM Post #22
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Greenough Jul 24 2017, 12:02 AM Zoom Jul 23 2017, 11:59 PM Greenough Jul 21 2017, 05:57 PM Zoom Jul 21 2017, 09:55 AM I don't get this science stuff, but how can they be different multi verses based from future and present time travel? Time alterations of the past make the time rings and the Supreme Kais can travel to them. During Cell arc, F. Trunks and Cell created different timelines but all of them are considered to be part of universe 7. The future and past timelines should be one space-time continuum in that universe. No they're not. Which is why all Supreme Kais of all universes have time rings to the same time alterations. Edit: Where did you get that idea? If that were the case there wouldn't be two Zamasus, Gowasus, Zen'ohs, etc. Whis said they were a different universe from 1 to 12, and the universes that add to 13 like 6 and 7 are twin universes. So a universe is different from a timeline or alterations to time in that universe. Within universe 7, during the Cell arc, F. Trunks and Cell time traveled creating alternative timelines within universe 7. Then why isn't there 4 Zeno's? Because Cell arc at least created 4 different timelines. Anyway, my point is when Zeno destroyed everything (concering Zamasu), universe 7 was the only universe affected. I'm responding to TC Griffzilla point about him being convinced Zeno busted a singular universe, but people talk about how Zeno destroyed the future multiverse. Quote: With the newest chapter of the manga being released I keep seeing people talk about how Zeno destroyed the future multiverse just like he did in the anime. I question this tho. Is there any evidence that points to Zeno destroying anything other than just the future universe 7? If so I'd love to see it. I'm convinced that he only busted a singular universe. So my question is if multi verses are universes from 1 to 12 then how is Zeno's attack multi universal when it only affects universe 7? My confusion might lie in the wording people used.



+ Son-Goku	Jul 24 2017, 12:25 AM Post #23
孫悟空 Posts: 13,358 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Zoom Jul 24 2017, 12:22 AM Greenough Jul 24 2017, 12:02 AM Zoom Jul 23 2017, 11:59 PM Greenough Jul 21 2017, 05:57 PM Zoom Jul 21 2017, 09:55 AM I don't get this science stuff, but how can they be different multi verses based from future and present time travel? Time alterations of the past make the time rings and the Supreme Kais can travel to them. During Cell arc, F. Trunks and Cell created different timelines but all of them are considered to be part of universe 7. The future and past timelines should be one space-time continuum in that universe. No they're not. Which is why all Supreme Kais of all universes have time rings to the same time alterations. Edit: Where did you get that idea? If that were the case there wouldn't be two Zamasus, Gowasus, Zen'ohs, etc. Whis said they were a different universe from 1 to 12, and the universes that add to 13 like 6 and 7 are twin universes. So a universe is different from a timeline or alterations to time in that universe. Within universe 7, during the Cell arc, F. Trunks and Cell time traveled creating alternative timelines within universe 7. Then why isn't there 4 Zeno's? Because Cell arc at least created 4 different timelines. Anyway, my point is when Zeno destroyed everything (concering Zamasu), universe 7 was the only universe affected. I'm responding to TC Griffzilla point about him being convinced Zeno busted a singular universe, but people talk about how Zeno destroyed the future multiverse. Quote: With the newest chapter of the manga being released I keep seeing people talk about how Zeno destroyed the future multiverse just like he did in the anime. I question this tho. Is there any evidence that points to Zeno destroying anything other than just the future universe 7? If so I'd love to see it. I'm convinced that he only busted a singular universe. So my question is if multi verses are universes from 1 to 12 then how is Zeno's attack multi universal when it only affects universe 7? My confusion might lie in the wording people used. A time alteration affects all 12 universes, not just one and yes, there are more than two Zen'Ohs. One per each timeline. Your question at the end is that some people are trying to figure out if Zen'Oh destroyed just Universe 7 or if he destroyed it and the other universes.
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Zoom	Jul 24 2017, 12:38 AM Post #24
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Then the answer to that question lies in the solution to this debate. When Future Zeno destroyed F. Merged Zamasu (when he was with the universe), 1. How did Goku and gang able travel back then travel back to the future to get F. Zeno? 2. How were other universes like U6 or U11 affected?



+ Son-Goku	Jul 24 2017, 12:40 AM Post #25
孫悟空 Posts: 13,358 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Zoom Jul 24 2017, 12:38 AM Then the answer to that question lies in the solution to this debate. When Future Zeno destroyed F. Merged Zamasu (when he was with the universe), 1. How did Goku and gang able travel back then travel back to the future to get F. Zeno? 2. How were other universes like U6 or U11 affected? It seemed that the universe was still there, it was just blank space. If Zen'Oh erased more than Universe 7, that's how.
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Zoom	Jul 24 2017, 12:59 AM Post #26
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Greenough Jul 24 2017, 12:40 AM Zoom Jul 24 2017, 12:38 AM Then the answer to that question lies in the solution to this debate. When Future Zeno destroyed F. Merged Zamasu (when he was with the universe), 1. How did Goku and gang able travel back then travel back to the future to get F. Zeno? 2. How were other universes like U6 or U11 affected? It seemed that the universe was still there, it was just blank space. If Zen'Oh erased more than Universe 7, that's how. I think people are confused with what a universe is and what is a timeline of that universe. Whis Explains multi verse F. U7 became an empty void and present U7 was alive and active. To me, F. Zeno only destroyed that single point of time. EDIT: Geekdom's video explains it Edited by Zoom, Jul 24 2017, 01:10 AM.



StrenuousSpider	Jul 24 2017, 09:23 AM Post #27
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	They are all universes even the alternative timelines. Trunks timeline is a different reality but a universe non the less. In dragonball we have 1. Multiverse- contains all of the below. 2. Normal realm- one half of a universe in which indirectly can affect others. 3. Timelines- simply a side effect of a universe which creates another universe or sets of universes. Basically just another universe whoch happens to be a different reality to the one we know. Which can affect others to the same extent as the one it came from. Can also be a multiverse as well. 4. Dimension- things that we only know about in dbz because of people like hit, botomo and places like the time chamber. Just little pockets in which the basic principles of the universe dont apply but in said universe non the less. 5. Realms- the other half of a universe know as the demon realm has the potential to be able to do what the normal realm and timelines can do. This how i see it anyway.



+ Son-Goku	Jul 24 2017, 02:42 PM Post #28
孫悟空 Posts: 13,358 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Zoom Jul 24 2017, 12:59 AM Greenough Jul 24 2017, 12:40 AM Zoom Jul 24 2017, 12:38 AM Then the answer to that question lies in the solution to this debate. When Future Zeno destroyed F. Merged Zamasu (when he was with the universe), 1. How did Goku and gang able travel back then travel back to the future to get F. Zeno? 2. How were other universes like U6 or U11 affected? It seemed that the universe was still there, it was just blank space. If Zen'Oh erased more than Universe 7, that's how. I think people are confused with what a universe is and what is a timeline of that universe. Whis Explains multi verse F. U7 became an empty void and present U7 was alive and active. To me, F. Zeno only destroyed that single point of time. EDIT: Geekdom's video explains it Different universes don't have different timelines. A different timeline accounts for everything.
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Arman Ossi Loko	Jul 24 2017, 07:07 PM Post #29
Posts: 68 Group: Member Member #9,160 Joined: March 9, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	In the anime, he was floating around in basically nothing. Pretty sure he wouldn't stay in free space that once was Universe 7 for an hour.



Griffzilla	Jul 24 2017, 11:01 PM Post #30
Posts: 730 Group: Member Member #11,562 Joined: July 29, 2014 Gender Male	So there is no conclusive evidence in either the manga or the anime that he destroyed anything more than U7?
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