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| Darker | Jul 19 2017, 08:39 PM Post #16 |
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Let's see, what is one of the first lines in Aladdin? "I had to slit a few throats to get it." I don't think that belongs in a movie that is mainly for kids, and that goes for any Disney movie, from the very first one up to nowadays. They can still get away with a lot despite being made for the whole family. For those that aren't, look no further than "The Black Cauldron", 'cause that was Disney trying to be darker. |
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| * Mitas | Jul 19 2017, 08:51 PM Post #17 |
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That doesn't really prove anything. There are plenty of films aimed at kids with jokes for parents that go over the heads of the younger audience, but that doesn't mean the film is aimed at the parents. I don't really know what to say if you don't think they're aimed at kids because to me it's pretty obviously the case. Ask most people when they last saw a Disney film without being accompanied by a child or young relative and they're most likely to say 'when I was a kid' (or more specifically 12 and under). Edit: I mean just look at their age ratings. They're all 'Universal' ratings. Edited by Mitas, Jul 19 2017, 08:54 PM.
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| Tinny | Jul 19 2017, 09:11 PM Post #18 |
 
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Yes Darker, they're for kids/families, they have more mature things in them than one would normally expect, but somehow I don't think you'll find anyone saying that Aladdin is too violent for children, or too risque, or too whatever else for kids to be viewing. These films also have clear morals aimed at the kids, Aladdin has accepting who you are and telling the truth. None of this means that they're bad, but it does mean that they're aimed at kids, and if you really want to contradict that idea, you'll need to find a film that is rated R, and made directly under them in the same way Aladdin was. You can have people say slitting throats or referring to death or sex all you want, but ultimately, these films are aimed at kids, they just aren't completely shackled and neutered by that aim. I mean what part of "slit a throat" would get you an R rating in the States? Unless we're actually dealing with vicious amounts of gore and blood and/or swearing and/or sex. As for my piece on this, I will be including 3D animation for this as well, much of Japanimation does utilize it in parts, either in parts such as Love Live, Jojo, Ufotable's many nasuverse works, DBS iirc. There are also anime that utilizes it exclusively in the case of Knights of Sidonia, Ajin, Kemono Friends, Studio Sanzigen's works, and Arpeggio of Blue Steel. And in 3D animation I do think the west has a bit of an advantage with companies like Pixar and Disney having some of the best 3D animation there is, outdoing anything Japan has accomplished in sheer detail in general, and have only really matched with the like of Studio Ghibli's works and precious few others. However though, I do think Japan has better animation, mostly because it has more range to explore more genres in more ways, while it may be a bit cannibalistic at times (many times), it has far more variety in general. A horror like Paranoia Agent or drama like Tokyo Grandfathers, shonen action series like DBZ or Boku no Hero Acadamia. We have meditative series like Mushishi, calming "healing" anime like K-on, Superhero (magical girl specifically as they see more animation than the likes of Super Sentai, but it is essentially a take on the super hero genre) like Sailor Moon or Precure/Pretty cure. Sprawling epic discourses on the nature of war, autocracy, and democracy in shows like Legend of the Galactic Heroes, dark fantasy like Berserk, and more. Meanwhile in western animation, while it's not completely limited to just two kinds of shows, it is far more limited than anime. In the west most adult animation has to be in the same vein of the Simpsons (which I held ruined animation by being too good and successful like World of Warcraft) or Family Guy. Only recently have we really seen much of any exceptions, namely the last one I remember being Samurai Jack, others shows having to at least appear like a show in the vein of Family Guy or the Simpsons before getting into deeper topics. There are a few innovators otherwise (ironically mostly in kids shows) such as Avatar the Last Airbender, Steven's Universe, and Samurai Jack as it was when it first aired. In the future I see this eventually becoming an issue of simply what side of the pacific's animation you like more, but for now I think japan simply has better animation in general. Edited by Tinny, Jul 19 2017, 09:16 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 19 2017, 09:17 PM Post #19 |
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Japanese definitely. There are so many different styles and sub-genres that are heavily explored in Japanese animation, and American animation simply doesn't have that level of variety or, in my opinion, quality. |
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| Darker | Jul 19 2017, 09:25 PM Post #20 |
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The mention of those things is still a clear indication that those movies are not made for those under 12, and by not for kids I mean really little kids who can get easily frightened by stuff like Jafar's cobra form or Mufasa's death.
The Simpsons is just a more modern version of old Hanna Barbera cartoons like The Flinstones or The Jetsons, it's not entirely new either since animated sitcoms have been with us since forever and as more innovations, those have been going around for a while now, Samurai Jack isn't even that recent, it started over a decade ago (and I don't want to hear anything about Season 5, the show was always mature to begin with). Cartoons that take themselves very seriously while exploring countless serious themes can be seen anywhere from the early 90s to the mid 2000s. |
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| Tinny | Jul 19 2017, 09:34 PM Post #21 |
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Aladdin is rated G. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103639/ So yes, children under 12 can watch this movie, at least in America where the Disney Corporation is housed. That should go a long way towards describing the rut adult cartoons are in if they're copying what's essentially something in the vein of the Jetsons. And yeah, I did go a decade back, but a decade is a relatively short time for culture as I see it. |
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| EMIYA | Jul 20 2017, 05:57 AM Post #22 |
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The rating system is all about the graphical showing of something, whether that's violence, language, sexuality, etc. You can still imply violence in a G-rated movie as long as its not directly graphic. In something like The Lion King, we never see the direct cause of death. We don't see Mufasa graphically stampeded by wildebeest. We don't see Scar graphically torn apart by angry Hyenas. It cuts to shots to give implications but never direct cause. Likewise when we see Mufasa's body, it's clean and bloodless. That lack of graphic appearance and blood is what helps a series keep a 'G" rating. As long as that (as well as language and sexual content) are gone, you can easily have fantasy violence in a 'G" rated film. You can show death, as long as its not graphic. You can show Bambi's dead mom, you can't show the bullet wound or the part where she actually gets shot. You can get away with a lot of things by taking out blood. This is why people like 4Kids edits blood and stuff from their series to make it more kid friendly. There's also the fact that unlike television, there's no rating system for movies in the USA that goes below "G" rated. A television show might be rated "Y" for the youth and is specifically intended for young audiences. Another rating my get "Y7* and is intended for children of 7 or above. These are for children who have more developmental skills and can differentiate between reality and fiction. It's more likely to have fantasy violence. Then there is the 'G" rated material which is intended for everyone and not just children. There's none of that with movies. There is "G", "PG", "PG-13", "R" and "N-17" All the ratings that are given for children in potential television show is all wrapped up into the "G" rating for movies. |
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| + QueenTD | Jul 21 2017, 12:21 AM Post #23 |
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Superhero Cartoons(the really good ones) make anime look like beginner hour. A lot of anime, mostly Shonen and Slice of life tend be too similar and less diverse. Also I can get a lot of the jokes in cartoon as I'm American. Them Japanese jokes be....flying right over me. As someone mentioned. Comedy is better in America cartoons. I'll give Anime better action in their action anime. But action American cartoons have better plots and characters. So American wins for me. |
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| + Steve | Jul 21 2017, 10:36 PM Post #24 |
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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Is comedy really "Better" or just more relevant to us though? Like with Gintama for instance, so many jokes about the culture and folklore legends and stuff we western weebs have no hope of understanding. Whereas when The Simpsons makes a joke about Trump, obviously it's clear as day to us...but not necessarily funnier really. In any case I've had more laughs from shows like Konosuba than western cartoons in recent years. Even if it can be hard to "get" Japanese jokes at times anime tends to be good at internal humour rather than just jokes about popular culture. As for the Lion King etc thing, these movies are from nearly 30 years ago so no wonder they might seem more adult now since standards have changed. I mean these days we have s*** like Minions for kids where 90% of it is fart jokes or just weird noises that are oh-so hilarious. This film was a PG(guess that's G in the US?) I still hear the noise of that thing in nightmares occasionally...we watched this in school. Times were definitely different then. |
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| + QueenTD | Jul 22 2017, 05:13 AM Post #25 |
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Lol Steve we have PG too. Rated G: General Audiences – all ages admitted. Rated PG: Parental Guidance Suggested – some material may not be suitable for children. Rated PG-13: Parents Strongly Cautioned – some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. Rated R: Restricted – under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian. NC-17 – Adults Only No One 17 and Under Admitted. Clearly adult. Children are not admitted. |
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| * Mitas | Jul 22 2017, 09:36 AM Post #26 |
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Obviously comedy is subjective, so if you find anime humour funnier than Western animation humour then I'm not saying you're wrong. However, when I said I don't find Japanese humour funny, I didn't mean cultural and folklore reference; I meant pretty much exclusively the sexual humour, which in my (albeit limited) experience is the majority of humour in anime. That and over-the-top reactions and slapstick humour, which again, I don't generally find funny. I just find Western animation's humour to be cleverer. |
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