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Lockdown (Bayformers) VS Ultron (MCU)
Topic Started: Jul 13 2017, 12:50 PM (287 Views)
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Lockdown is on his ship, attacking Earth the day Ultron and his clone drones begin their rampage. The Avengers won't interfere between the two evil bots.

Round 1: Original Armor
Round 2: Vibranium Armor
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What's the starting distance? If it's far away, Lockdown starts off with the Head Cannon and that rocks his world.
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I assume he'd use that no matter the distance, but if you think it makes it any fairer, let's say they're right in front of each other, about 10 meters away.
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He'd like to, but it leaves him wide open while he uses it and aiming with it must be clunky. If they're just ten meters apart, no way he has enough time to use it. All that being said, a Transformium grenade will eventually get the win for Lockdown because there's really nothing Ultron can do to counter it. He might be able to survive his blows(might, Lockdown's pretty strong) but that grenade is basically a one hit kill.
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Lockdown doesn't seem all that from the videos I've watched(barely remember the movie)

OG Ultron is at least almost as tough as the Iron Man Mk...whatever suit, is it the 7 in AoU?

His lasers push Tony back and in the first film a tank shell pretty much only scratched the paint of the first non prototype suit so I think Ultron is kind of being underestimated here.


Unless this is a fight where Lockdown knows about Ultron but not the other way around I'm not sure how the gun would help, that would be an easy dodge surely. Ultron is small, fast and agile.

And he was strong enough to injure and otherwise beat up Thor, who can block hits from Hulk.

Vibranium Ultron should definitely win, original Ultron could possibly do it by whittling away at Lockdown's body.
Since Transformer parts function more like organs Lockdown would be in a lot of trouble as minor damage mounts up considering each hit physically pains them.
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Lockdown doesn't seem all that from the videos I've watched(barely remember the movie)

He 1v1ed Optimus Prime and was dead even with him. The same Optimus who bitchslapped an 800 ton Grimlock and ripped the Driller in half
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His lasers push Tony back and in the first film a tank shell pretty much only scratched the paint of the first non prototype suit so I think Ultron is kind of being underestimated here.

Tony was fleeing for his life against the 20 mm cannon of the F-22s and couldn't tank War Machine's arsenal of 9mm rounds at best. His durability is really dodgy.
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Since Transformer parts function more like organs Lockdown would be in a lot of trouble as minor damage mounts up considering each hit physically pains them.

Regeneration helps.
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Tony was fleeing for his life against the 20 mm cannon of the F-22s and couldn't tank War Machine's arsenal of 9mm rounds at best. His durability is really dodgy.


Much like the combat skills and durability of the Bayformers.

20mm cannons are still pretty powerful and it's not like it'd be a wise choice to let anything shoot him over and over, especially not since they could have fired missiles at any moment.

Regen is good but unless this fight is going to take place over several hours where Lockdown receives no damage during that time it's not fast enough to make much of a difference.

Lockdown got wrecked by a dude with man high power gun, a messed up Optimus and some other stupid humans with cars. Also Bumblebee who's plot ability knows little bounds.



Ultron should be pretty dangerous here with his vastly superior mobility, he was on the run from Iron Man but still an effective fighter and then after the upgrade he was on fairly even grounds with Vision.
But dem peak humans be strong, Cap is his one weakness.
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Much like the combat skills and durability of the Bayformers.

Not really.
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20mm cannons are still pretty powerful and it's not like it'd be a wise choice to let anything shoot him over and over, especially not since they could have fired missiles at any moment.

Nah, 20 mm is chump change in all honesty.
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The 30 mm buzzed Scorponok and did no damage whatsoever. Blackout also got shot in the chest by a 40 mm round and only flinched a little at it.
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especially not since they could have fired missiles at any moment.

The missiles F-22s have are pretty crappy next to the Mavericks Scorponok shrugged off. The warhead is twice the size and optimized for hardened targets while AMRAAMs are pretty garbage at armored targets
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Lockdown got wrecked by a dude with man high power gun, a messed up Optimus and some other stupid humans with cars. Also Bumblebee who's plot ability knows little bounds.

Lockdown had just finished taking Optimus Prime after a brutal battle where he'd been bashed on the head several times by a shield. He then got hit some more by Bumblebee and still managed to one shot him with a slam. And then he defeated the human anyway and had him at his mercy.

The only wrecking that happened was because Lockdown was stabbed in the back when he didn't expect it, other than that, he was cleaning house.
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Ultron should be pretty dangerous here with his vastly superior mobility,

Lockdown has guns small enough to work on targets of his size, and he'll not have lost them this time by fighting someone before hand.
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Not really.


Uh yeah, have you watched the movies? Sometimes Bayformers are absolute Gods and then they get wrecked easily.

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The missiles F-22s have are pretty crappy next to the Mavericks Scorponok shrugged off. The warhead is twice the size and optimized for hardened targets while AMRAAMs are pretty garbage at armored targets

Not really the point, they could still have damaged the suit so that'd be why Tony was on the run.

And still worth noting that was the first proper Iron Man suit. He'd made like 40 by Iron Man 3 hadn't he?

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He then got hit some more by Bumblebee and still managed to one shot him with a slam. And then he defeated the human anyway and had him at his mercy.


Not really all that considering the size difference between them and he still got hurt a silly amount by just some dude with a gun that he should have been able to just shoot easily.

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Lockdown has guns small enough to work on targets of his size, and he'll not have lost them this time by fighting someone before hand.


Size perhaps but where has he shown the ability to shoot targets that fast and mobile?

There's no way he's beating Vibranium Ultron anyway.

Original Ultron didn't really showcase much...well neither of them did really, still.
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Not really the point, they could still have damaged the suit so that'd be why Tony was on the run.

If AMRAAMs can cause damage, then that's insanely pitiful. Those things aren't meant for anti-armor at all.
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Not really all that considering the size difference between them and he still got hurt a silly amount by just some dude with a gun that he should have been able to just shoot easily.

Lockdown doesn't actually have much size on Bumblebee. He's more stretched out, but he doesn't have much more mass if at all. And Lockdown did try to shoot him, it's just that his shoulder got shot before he could fire and that threw his aim off.
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Size perhaps but where has he shown the ability to shoot targets that fast and mobile?

Ultron is hardly the dodging type.
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If AMRAAMs can cause damage, then that's insanely pitiful. Those things aren't meant for anti-armor at all.


Well it was clearly light damage given he was hit directly.

This is a relatively thin suit of metal, Ultron is 100% metal and was competing with a much more advanced Iron Man suit so he should definitely manage to take a few hits. He was barely damaged from most of Tony's attacks it was only the last rocket that did major damage and it looks like the one Tony destroyed a tank with in the first movie(just it explodes instantly)

Also worth noting being shot by a Quinjet(the more advanced military one) did nothing but irritate him, before he got his Vibranium body.

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Ultron is hardly the dodging type.


Why wouldn't he dodge something that could destroy him when he has no means of escape?
He could afford to be careless with his bots in play since he was all of them and his main body didn't matter he even sacrifices it as a distraction, here he lacks that advantage so he'd be more careful. Unless he's a complete idiot.

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Well it was clearly light damage given he was hit directly.

As opposed to zero damage like when Starscream got hit in the face by one(and one specifically tailored to his weakness too, mind)
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. He was barely damaged from most of Tony's attacks it was only the last rocket that did major damage and it looks like the one Tony destroyed a tank with in the first movie(just it explodes instantly)

That rocket caused an ammo cookoff, there's nothing incredibly special about it.
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Why wouldn't he dodge something that could destroy him when he has no means of escape?
He could afford to be careless with his bots in play since he was all of them and his main body didn't matter he even sacrifices it as a distraction, here he lacks that advantage so he'd be more careful. Unless he's a complete idiot.

Ultron's cocky and poor in a fight like Tony is. He'd eventually dodge but he'd not be doing it straight up at first.
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R1: Lockdown should have no problems.
R2: I need to re-watch Avengers AoO again, but I remember this version of Ultron taking on Thor's + Ultron's + Iron Man blast.
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