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| superperfectnerd | Jul 10 2017, 04:42 PM Post #1 |
 
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I tried to give up on the two base theory because I can't imagine the writers have that in mind without explicitly stating or showing it. However, Basil's performance first against Good Boo and secondly against base Goku can only be explained with the two bases. Even if I was to low ball power levels as much as possible (something I like to do), that would involve following BOG implications over the anime. Why not anyway? It came before the anime, we don't consider the anime of Z to retcon the manga which came first, so why do we consider the Super anime to retcon the movie which came first? So ssj = ssjg Goku and base Goku is around 'Ultimate Gohan' level plus his training since BOG. The problem is Good Boo, Good Boo is presumably at the same level he was in the fight against Kid Boo since its made a point of that he has never once trained, when he does, within two hours he slims out and increases in power dramatically. Before his training he proves himself stronger than an enhanced Basil, then in the tournament of power, Basil having not trained and seeming to be relative to his brothers as part of their team is suddenly able to cause a problem for base Goku, he's able to actually hurt the saiyan and make him sweat three on one. I have Good Boo at around 12 000 000 000, so Basil at maybe around 9 000 000 000 and Goku at around 500 000 000 000 in base after absorbing ssjg and training, why is he struggling unless he has two base forms? |
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| + Son-Goku | Jul 10 2017, 05:30 PM Post #2 |
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Even if there are two base forms, if you want to call it that, it still doesn't make sense. Goku at this point should still be more than 10x what he was in the Universe 6 Saga. He shouldn't be having any trouble with Basil or Lavender. All three together though makes sense. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jul 10 2017, 05:50 PM Post #3 |
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Nah. Basil's not what made goku struggle. What made goku struggle was the coordination they had. It kept being emphasized that the trio de dangers have amazing teamwork after fighting a lot of strong enemies together. And on top of that, unlike basil and lavenda, bergamo is really strong.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 10 2017, 06:10 PM Post #4 |
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If Gohan can get as strong as he did in half a day, I don't see why Basil couldn't train and get significantly stronger. This arc has set a precedent for absurd gains in extremely short periods of time. Power scaling has been made practically impossible because of how careless the writers have been with these absurd power increases. I'm sure some will say that's a good thing, because now we don't have to worry about it, but this comes with a caveat, that being, the story suffers. I couldn't give any less of a s*** about it anymore. At this point, all I can hope for is cool looking fight scenes because Lord knows I don't give a s*** about anything else. |
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| superperfectnerd | Jul 10 2017, 07:06 PM Post #5 |
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Coordination or not, Basil/Lavender hit and hurt Goku and Vegeta with regular punches and kicks, their attacks should feel like being caressed with natural yogurt to somebody who is Boohan level when being hit by somebody sub Boo saga Good Boo. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jul 10 2017, 08:33 PM Post #6 |
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I'm rewatching the fight right now and I'm not seeing goku and vegeta actually getting hurt from basil and lavenda. I'm just seeing vegeta grinning while he's blocking punches but it could be because they were double teaming him the whole time and the cat girl and ice guy were attacking too. As soon as they found the right moment goku and vegeta kicked everyone's a***. They only turned ssjb because of bergamo imo We didn't see them fight with their team work in the exhibition matches so those aren't their best showings of what they're capable of with team work Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jul 10 2017, 08:35 PM.
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| superperfectnerd | Jul 10 2017, 09:02 PM Post #7 |
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Basil is able to trade blows with Goku and move fast enough to be a problem for Goku to follow and Vegeta got gut punched by Lavender and it caused him to splutter if I remember right. It's like even if Boohan couldn't sense them do you think he would have struggled like this against ssj2 Goku and Vegeta? No, the power gap is too big, they couldn't even hurt him. |
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| + Pyrus | Jul 10 2017, 09:19 PM Post #8 |
 
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In filler he was smacked pretty good by Goku. Just saying! I don't think Vegeta was actually hurt by Basil. If I remember correctly, there was a distraction coming at Vegeta first, and then Basil appeared behind that distraction to gut punch him. It was like a surprise attack to me. |
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| lazerbem | Jul 11 2017, 03:07 AM Post #9 |
 
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The fact that Goku couldn't just blitz Basil in an instant, the way that Gohan tore the Cell Juniors to bits is kind of sad. I get it, no killing, but come on, Basil ought to be moving in slow motion next to the rest of the trio. Goku could just explosive wave, and suddenly half the team is down. It's not that Basil's hurting him precisely that bothers me so much as Goku acting like he can't just reach out with his finger, tap Basil's head, and knock him out. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Jul 11 2017, 03:30 AM Post #10 |
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Him and vegeta are trying to have fun and beerus told them not to waste any stamina on these weaklings so don't go all out and goku understood. You could argue he's talking about ssjb or just in general Eh idk. Every time I rewatch the fight I question whether they're really struggling or they just weren't giving it their all and/or the trio's teamwork was really that good |
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| Amerson26 | Jul 11 2017, 12:19 PM Post #11 |
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What makes all this look so crazy is because base copy vegeta tank full power punches from Ssj 3 gotenks yet he has to block hits from a ssj2/fat buu level character. How does that make any sense at all? Ssj 3 gotenks > Basil and fat buu So yeah dragon ball super don't know what they want. If you ask me goku and vegeta base forms is getting weaker and weaker every new arc. If they struggle with people like basil and mys gohan what would someone like Ssj vegito do to them? Edited by Amerson26, Jul 11 2017, 12:24 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Jul 11 2017, 05:40 PM Post #12 |
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Knowing Super, they'd probably one-shot SSJ Vegetto. |
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| superperfectnerd | Jul 12 2017, 03:36 PM Post #13 |
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Exactly and the gap between base post-god Goku and Good Boo/Basil tier is demonstrably bigger than ssj2 Gohan and the Cell jrs. |
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