Characters that went a bad direction?

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Characters that went a bad direction?
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 30 2017, 03:28 AM Post #1
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	What characters do you think went down a bad direction that had more potential than how they were dealt with? For me: -Yajirobe- This random guy comes out and is fighting pretty much even with Goku, who with Tien are the strongest humans at the moment. Then he single handily takes down one of Piccolo's minions. He proves that he is extremely powerful and pretty cool. Then the Saiyan Arc rolls around and he swings his sword around aimlessly at Vegeta and gets beat up, then rarely shows up in the show ever. The last cool moment he had was when he cut of Vegeta's tale, arguably when he cut Vegeta's back, but he sort of landed awkward. The character had a lot of potential and didn't deserve to be dumped. -Chi Chi- She always had that nasty attitude, but there was just something likable about her in the Piccolo Jr. Saga and that really left after that. She became a super nagging housewife thinking her son's studies are more important than the earth. She became a fairly annoying character and lost her charm she had in Dragon Ball. I didn't like the way she was handled. -Yamcha (Super)- Yamcha was fine to me all-throughout Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. But when it got to Dragon Ball Super, things seemed to greatly change. Frieza and his soldiers came to the planet and yet, Yamcha was left behind while Master Roshi was brought. But why? Krillin had been just as out of shape as Yamcha had been. Some might make the point that Krillin fought in the tournament in DBZ while Yamcha did not, so he was still a fighter. But the fact of the matter is that Krillin wasn't going to enter the tournament either, #18 convinced him. Yamcha didn't have anyone to convince him to. Then the Universe Survival Saga rolls around and they pick all of the fighters, but Master Roshi yet again is picked over Yamcha. Roshi pulled aside to let the younger generation take lead years ago. He stopped training after the King Piccolo Saga. He was not picked to train under Kami to fight against the saiyans, he did not train for the battle against the Androids, and he did not show up at the Cell Games. Master Roshi was done, Yamcha earned his keep and deserved to be a member for the Tournament of Power. That was more of a rant, but I'm still upset about this.
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Vance	Jun 30 2017, 09:40 AM Post #2
Posts: 326 Group: Member Member #13,910 Joined: June 17, 2017	Perfect Cell was an awful railroading of the character. In his Imperfect form, Cell was clever, understood his own limits, and wasn't needlessly murdering individuals for amusement. His entire reason for existing was to reach perfection, no matter what the cost and no matter how long it took. Semi-Perfect Cell was a noticeable step down from Imperfect Cell, as he's already become a bit more arrogant and proud, such as his disbelief that he could be weaker than Vegeta (compared to Imperfect Cell who did not show any frustration or anger at being weaker than Piccolo, and merely saw it as an obstacle to overcome). Nevertheless, his intellect was on full display when he manipulated Vegeta's Saiyan pride, his use of Solar Flare, and his insistence to absorb Android 18 as quickly as possible (granted, him wanting to fight Goku was a dumb plot device to introduce him to Instant Transmission). Once he became Perfect Cell, however, all these character traits went straight out the window, and he became a mustache twirling villain hellbent on being the strongest and killing people for fun. In addition, he's easily the stupidest of all the main villains, despite the incredibly odd habit of fans calling him the smartest or most intelligent (I strictly believe this is due to his voice actor being phenomenal), with him literally not making a single intelligent decision during his time in the manga or anime. Seriously, absolutely nothing he did was worthy of praise, and he instead found a way to sabotage himself repeatedly, such as unlocking Gohan's true power or committing suicide (arguably the dumbest moment of that saga, why in the hell would a narcissist who spent him life seeking to reach perfection throw it all away just to kill a few people). Instead of characterizing him as a neutral entity who, through his accomplishment of his life's purpose, lacks any ambition or understanding of what it is he is to do, Toriyama decided to have him become a generic villain who wants to fight (you could argue it's the cells from Vegeta and Goku, but at the end of the day it's up to Cell to determine how he acts). If any of the main villains could've been redeemed or turned "good", Cell was clearly the most amenable. A genocidal warlord (Frieza), a xenophobic mass-murderer (Vegeta), and the embodiment of evil and destruction (Buu) all became either protagonists or have been reasoned with, but for some reason, a creature which had been created simply to absorb two Androids cannot be taught the error of his ways, be it successfully or unsuccessfully. It also doesn't help that Goku acted uncharacteristically throughout the interactions between him and Cell, with there being no attempt to redeem or seek a rematch. No, Goku simply wanted him dead as quickly as possible. Edited by Vance, Jun 30 2017, 09:44 AM.
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* Mitas	Jun 30 2017, 02:26 PM Post #3
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	Raditz - I will always feel that the show could have done so much more with the character of Goku's brother. So much potential there for interesting story lines, even if they end with the same result i.e. his death. Gohan - AT should have had the fortitude to go through with his initial plans of making Gohan the successor to Goku. The transition from father to son would have been a nice touch.
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+ Clearin	Jun 30 2017, 03:50 PM Post #4
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Y'know, Yajirobe may have had a lot of potential, but I think the way his character went was just realistic. Yajirobe is lazy, he isn't the kind of person to train like the other humans, so he naturally gets quickly outranked. To answer your question - Raditz, the main characters brother is reduced to a warm up villain that lasts less than 10 chapters. Videl - I'm not sure if this counts because it's less about her role in the story, which she could never be relevant in, and more about her personality. By that I mean in DBZ she had personality, in DB Super her personality is "Gohan's wife". Special mention goes to Piccolo. That might sound odd, but imo Piccolo's entire role seemed to just boil down to being wasted potential. The two standout moments go to the Freeza saga, where Piccolo gets revived and sent to Namek, receives a massive power boost...and then proceeds to fight Freeza for 2 chapters before he quickly fades to the background. He had absolutely no plot relevance and his entire role could have just been removed. The other time is in the Android arc, where he gets a similar power boost. While more chapters go by before he becomes useless again, he never really does anything with the power. He fights Cell and lets him escape, then he fights #17 to a standstill and then becomes a background character.



Thiln	Jun 30 2017, 07:08 PM Post #5
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	Gohan - Is this really disputable? The Dragon Ball Z continuation had been progressively mounting up the focus shifted over to Gohan at the start of the Saiyan arc. His crazy inordinate potential was frequently re-explored as an untapped wellspring that could serve as a potential trump card against whatever adversary Gohan was faced with. Granted, the Cyborg/Cell arcs are an outlier in that Gohan's presence was, for the most part, immaterial up until the Cell Games. Although, you could say the strength and will of his desire to relief Earth of the artificial scourge released by Gero was inherited by Trunks, who he himself happened to be the student of the late future version of Gohan. Fast forward to the Buu arc and you certainly discern a reprioritisation of character focus. Who's everyday life was at the forefront of the manga's serialisation? Gohan. Who did the precursory vanguard of the antagonist first target for said antagonist's resurrection? Gohan. Who was deemed worthy enough to seek out the Z-Sword so that it could be set free to defeat Buu? Gohan. All of that momentum was wrenched away at the last moment for some of the most harebrained reasoning ever concocted. It certainly doesn't help that one of the most significant philosophical lessons striving to impart the lesson of self-reliance and being able to persevere on your own was tarnished just to wrench the old antiquated protagonist out from the grave when he was, for all intents and purposes, finished. Goten - Very little in the way of meaningful characterisation. He's a miniature version of Goku with the same carefree unperceptive demeanour. Frankly, he seems more like a plastic placeholder instead of an organic soul with feeling; just a contrivance called upon to act as the subsidiary on occasion when events need to be padded out (stalling Buu long enough for Gohan to appear), rescuing a character when they are at the brink of death (Fat Buu, though this was more Trunks' initiative than Goten's), or to function as the needed cog in a machine used for the aforesaid padding out (Gotenks fusion). I can't find any inidividual achievements that Goten has really provided to the story on his own without his miscreant buddy. Super has done virtually nothing to allay this static staleness ailing Goten - even his appearance fails to change or develop.



+ Emmeth	Jul 5 2017, 11:11 AM Post #6
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I always wondered how the show would've been like if Vegeta stayed a villainous rival to Goku. I know they are still considered rivals, but that's much more like brotherly rivalry than anything now, which I think is a shame. It'd be cool if Vegeta didn't settle down with Bulma, though still kept being a dad to Trunks, and kept a villainous/anti-hero aura about him. I'm not saying he went in a bad direction as a character, but I don't think my suggestion would've been bad either. As for topic, I probably agree with Yamcha and Gohan mostly, but also take note of Clearin's opinion on Piccolo; That's a very interesting take on it.
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Famicommander	Jul 6 2017, 01:00 AM Post #7
Jukebox hero Posts: 440 Group: Member Member #3,095 Joined: January 7, 2008 Favourite Anime Outlaw Star	Gohan. He was such a boss through the Cell saga, but after that he's borderline intolerable. The Saiyaman stuff is cringe inducing and it's really annoying that he was stronger than everyone else as a pre-teen and then is essentially useless until his Ultimate power up. And then he ends up getting beaten by a weaker opponent because he's an idiot anyway. I hate the Buu saga more and more every time I see it or think about it. The whole stupid thing.



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