Gohans masenko vs Tien's Kikoho

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Gohans masenko vs Tien's Kikoho; nappa fight
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Decibel	Jun 23 2017, 04:19 PM Post #1
Posts: 206 Group: Member Member #11,534 Joined: July 20, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime dbz, Hunter X hunter, yuyu hakusho, claymore	gohans madenk was the highest reading until goku got there and for story telling reasons almost seems to imply that it was the strongest amount of ki used yet. however no scouter was in use for any other attack prior. given the reactions and what we know about the attack, was Tiens Kikoho stronger? Also, what about chiaotzus self destruction? or the way Piccolo reacted to krillins huge attack unsplit? Was gohans attack overhyped in context of everything else we saw?



+ Son-Goku	Jun 23 2017, 05:03 PM Post #2
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Tien's Tri-Beam should have been much stronger. Nappa would have suffered severe damage if he didn't block it at the last second. While Nappa was able to flick Gohan's Masenko away without too much effort. Edit: They weren't really that impressed, just by how much Gohan's power went up. It was no real threat, there wasn't any shock from them until they read 5,000 as Goku's suppressed power level. Edited by Son-Goku, Jun 23 2017, 05:04 PM.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 23 2017, 11:00 PM Post #3
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Nothing implies the Kikoho was stronger than the Masenko.
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* Yu Narukami	Jun 23 2017, 11:25 PM Post #4
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	You could argue that the Kikoho that Tenshinhan launched was a lot weaker than it would've been due to him being exhausted and near-death. Considering that it uses Genki, it would make sense.



+ Son-Goku	Jun 24 2017, 03:29 AM Post #5
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Pyrus Jun 23 2017, 11:00 PM Nothing implies the Kikoho was stronger than the Masenko. Tri-Beam gave Nappa a scare while he met Gohan's Masenko cheerfully.
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Billa	Jun 24 2017, 04:28 AM Post #6
Thala na Gethu! Posts: 4,218 Group: Member Member #7,273 Joined: February 3, 2012 Favourite Anime Nothin What Browser do you use? Nothin Favourite Manga Nothin	Didnt Nappa casually punched Gohan's Masenko like a volleyball? Even if stunged him a little Tien'a KiKoHo flat-out shocked Nappa & Veggie. Former's case was "underestimation" at how a useless, ragged child could summon such power (via rage) & unleash it Full Force Tien's case was absolute power display along "element of suprise" considering his forearm was sliced, survived 2-3 heavy blows of brute Nappa, emotionally broken due to Chaotzu's sacrifice & YET, dude managed to astound every freaking mfker at battlefield. Now dats called real power Darn sure it musta eclipsed Gohan's Masenko by fair margin Edited by Billa, Jun 24 2017, 04:29 AM.



+ Pyrus	Jun 24 2017, 05:32 AM Post #7
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Greenough Jun 24 2017, 03:29 AM Pyrus Jun 23 2017, 11:00 PM Nothing implies the Kikoho was stronger than the Masenko. Tri-Beam gave Nappa a scare while he met Gohan's Masenko cheerfully. Nappa tanked the Kikoho with nothing but cosmetic damage, and he was unprepared for it. On the other hand, he at least admitted the Masenko made his hand sting, which to me is better than him straight up tanking a blast that he didn't know was coming until the very last second. And he didn't cheerfully block the Masenko. He clearly put effort into deflecting it, and showed more aggravation from it than the Kikoho. Edited by Pyrus, Jun 24 2017, 05:42 AM.
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Dankness Lava	Jun 24 2017, 06:04 AM Post #8
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Pyrus Jun 24 2017, 05:32 AM Greenough Jun 24 2017, 03:29 AM Pyrus Jun 23 2017, 11:00 PM Nothing implies the Kikoho was stronger than the Masenko. Tri-Beam gave Nappa a scare while he met Gohan's Masenko cheerfully. Nappa tanked the Kikoho with nothing but cosmetic damage, and he was unprepared for it. On the other hand, he at least admitted the Masenko made his hand sting, which to me is better than him straight up tanking a blast that he didn't know was coming until the very last second. And he didn't cheerfully block the Masenko. He clearly put effort into deflecting it, and showed more aggravation from it than the Kikoho. But imagine if Tien was at full power.



+ Emmeth	Jun 24 2017, 06:20 AM Post #9
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Masenko is a concentrated move that can be heavily amplified the longer the user charges. It doesn't use the user's life force, which makes it considerably weaker. In my opinion, Gohan got a 2-2.5x boost. Kikoho (Shin) is a move that uses Tenshinhan's life force and can potentially kill him (which is did). His boost was probably 2-2.25x due to him being pretty weak at that point. However, I'd also like to point out that Tenshinhan can massively improve the Kikoho the longer he practices with it and the stronger he gets. This is why he had such tremendous power when holding back Cell in the Cell arc. The Masenko is more like the Kamehameha, where you can amplify it to a certain degree but never go past your own power.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 24 2017, 06:05 PM Post #10
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Dankness Flame Jun 24 2017, 06:04 AM Pyrus Jun 24 2017, 05:32 AM Greenough Jun 24 2017, 03:29 AM Pyrus Jun 23 2017, 11:00 PM Nothing implies the Kikoho was stronger than the Masenko. Tri-Beam gave Nappa a scare while he met Gohan's Masenko cheerfully. Nappa tanked the Kikoho with nothing but cosmetic damage, and he was unprepared for it. On the other hand, he at least admitted the Masenko made his hand sting, which to me is better than him straight up tanking a blast that he didn't know was coming until the very last second. And he didn't cheerfully block the Masenko. He clearly put effort into deflecting it, and showed more aggravation from it than the Kikoho. But imagine if Tien was at full power. But we're not talking about a full power Tenshinhan. We're using the one that actually fired the Kikoho.
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DBerZ	Jun 25 2017, 12:32 PM Post #11
Posts: 15 Group: New Member Member #13,823 Joined: March 25, 2017	It always felt to me like this fight was just one surprise after another for the Saiyans. O, the 3-eyed guy defeated a saibaman. O, the guy with the scars also defeated his one (before it jumped back up and blew himself up). O, the little bald one has an attack which killed 3 saibamen at once. O, the green one killed the last one without effort. O, the dwarf just used a selfdestruct attack, this was a close one. O, the 3-eyed guy "was still alive", had so much energy left and had such a good attack. O, the little bald one has an disk attack we should dodge!!! O, Kakarot is coming? Maybe it would be interesting? O, the kid has power after all. What, 2800? Huh, where is the kid? Kakarot? Over 8000????????? Why can't I kill you??????? So much energy, in one attack??????? Another one? He cut my tail! Fck, the kid has his tail again!!!! A, my back, that fcking fat one is back! ... Defeated, how is it possible? ---- Vegeta (and Nappa) constantly underestimated their opponents, which is why they lost. I think there were multiple times they were surprised by the Earthlings, which was why they thought it would be fun and an interesting fight. The Masenko (or at least the battle power of 2800) was a surprise for Nappa and Vegeta, it came from the kid who didn't show this yet. Tenshinhan's Kikoho also surprised them. How could an Earthling (known as a weak species), who lost an arm and received a bloody beating already, still has such a powerful attack?



DSTREET45	Jul 4 2017, 10:28 AM Post #12
Posts: 883 Group: Member Member #9,779 Joined: July 21, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball/Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Yu Yu Hakusho	IIRC Nappa blocked Tien's Kihoho in the last second, hence the "Whew, don't scare me like that". Given his surprise at that attack, I'll side with Tien's Kihoho being stronger.



Dankness Lava	Jul 4 2017, 03:13 PM Post #13
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	DSTREET45 Jul 4 2017, 10:28 AM IIRC Nappa blocked Tien's Kihoho in the last second, hence the "Whew, don't scare me like that". Given his surprise at that attack, I'll side with Tien's Kihoho being stronger. He was almost dead though. Nappa could have just had his defenses lowered.



+ Pyrus	Jul 4 2017, 05:45 PM Post #14
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Nappa didn't block the Kikoho. He got hit by surprise with it and came out with the usual cosmetic damage.
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+ Son-Goku	Jul 4 2017, 08:10 PM Post #15
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Pyrus Jul 4 2017, 05:45 PM Nappa didn't block the Kikoho. He got hit by surprise with it and came out with the usual cosmetic damage. He had his arms up guarding.
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