Solid Snake

Jul 22 2017, 03:14 PM

How so? According to Darker, Zen-Oh not being able to understand it's power and therefore not being able to use it's power meant he'll be at his default level.

Tinny

 

He outright closed/turned off the game.

And no, he was dropped into a fictional representation of the real world, not the real world proper, you didn't see a report on the news about a men dressed like Deadpool killing said writer right? However in the case of Asriel, he does straight up turn off your game, effecting the real world outside of the confines of his fictional world.

Darker

 

That doesn't solve anything, we still don't know if it's because he's the supreme being of his universe and has a status which gives him said power or if it's because he actually has enough power to destroy any universe, whether it's one of his or not.

Darker

 

It's not speculation, it's a fact.

It doesn't work on a child, who has no concept of such power. Zeno lives for his own amusement, even if he could control some of the HOTU, he'd use it to destroy stuff slowly, but even then he's most interested in seeing others fight. That gives others more than enough of an opportunity to beat them.

Darker

 

It's no different than most people on versus matches putting Superman against Thor, unaware that Thor's got a magical advantage over Supes, plus way more.

Darker

 

No, just those two.

And Thanos became one with the HOTU, even describing himself as the Author of the story.

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It doesn't matter, because again, he won't be able to use as much power as Akhenaten did. If he did, he'd still lose to those I mentioned

Darker.

 

The only difference is that Zeno is worthless next to it.

Darker

 

He doesn't.

Darker

 

Completely different character. Saitama is a joke character, it's next to impossible to use him in versus matches out of context.

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There you go again, debating and relying on the unknown. Is he the supreme being of his universe? Who knows. How can he erase universes ? I don't know.

But from what we're given, He's Dragon ball's most eminent God, and is strong enough to destroy 6 universes in the blink of an eye. So unless we're shed some light on how he can destroy, no erase universes or how strong he is, I'm going to assume that he's a multi-Universal buster.

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Also, even if he did control some of the HOTU, who is going to stand up to him? How much did Thanos control ? With a tiny amount of the HOTU's power, Thanos outdid the Abstracts, who are more more powerful than the guys you've mention.

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Wait, didn't they fight before with Superman winning ? Does Thor really hold a magical advantage over him, since each character are from different verses?

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Is Akhenaten stronger than Thanos with the HOTU? I'm curious. And you still didn't bring any feat.

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Toon force users also are joke characters. Didn't stop you from using them, huh?

Darker

 

No, the characters I've mentioned go far beyond what the abstract entities as you call them can do.

Toonforce characters are allowed to do just as much wrong as TOAA himself. Mortadelo, for example, has defied his own creator in more than one occasion, coming out of his own story just to attack him whenever he insults him.

Darker

 

Thor was caught off guard and attacked by other characters more than once. It wasn't a fair struggle.

Darker

 

Pay attention please, I've said multiple times already that Akhenaten took a small chunk, while Thanos became one with the HOTU.

Who do you think is stronger?

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I'm not going to tell you to behave yourself despite that "huh?", or explain you the clear differences between toonforce users and joke characters, I'll just avoid those and say that Saitama's power is really vague as well, and meant to work ONLY in his own story. True he still has feats, but he's never really serious so we never get a good grasp of his power.

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Weren't you saying that Thanos only took a small portion of its power?

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All Toonforce users are joke characters,

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Saitama's power working only in his own story isn't a viable reason though.

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If it was, then we wouldn't have battles from different franchises.

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Even if he hasn't gone all out, we can still rank where he is from his feats, and it seems he wouldn't go too far.

Darker

 

Not once did I ever say that.

Every time I said "small portion" that was Akhenaten. Every time I said "became one with the HOTU" that was Thanos.

Darker

 

Except not all toonforce users are joke characters.

Look no further than Big Head, or The Mask. Comedic as he is, he's meant to be more horror-oriented than anything. He is an anti-hero after all.

Darker

 

Never said it was, just said that it's MEANT to work on his story and his story alone. That's the entire concept of his character, aside from the fun and weird depth they give him.

Darker

 

No, no we can't.

He went a bit serious with Boros, that's about it. It'd be like judging Hulk's full power during the 70s. Not once did he ever get the chance to go full power there. Now think of Saitama, who hasn't seen a worthy threat and likely never will. That's why he's not fit for battle threads unless very specific, like: "who could take the serious series serious punch from Saitama from Episode 12 of OPM?"

Notaka

Jul 22 2017, 04:08 PM

Tinny

 

He outright closed/turned off the game.

And no, he was dropped into a fictional representation of the real world, not the real world proper, you didn't see a report on the news about a men dressed like Deadpool killing said writer right? However in the case of Asriel, he does straight up turn off your game, effecting the real world outside of the confines of his fictional world.

I think that was Photoshop Flowey, no ? well, it doesn't matter since Asriel is infinitely more powerful.

Yeah Deadpool did drop into a fictional representation of the real world, however what he killed were not fictional characters but the writers themselves. It's mind boggling but it's true. and I mean, the same could be said for Asriel, he doesn't affect real life, only your computer or the digital world if you prefer, which is the equivalent of a comic book/manga/whatever character finishing a show's episode. I don't think that feat is too viable for a battle. and What about Homer ? He literally got dropped off into real life.

Notaka

Jul 22 2017, 05:15 PM

Pretty sure he's a joke character. You can be a joke and horror character at the same time.

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But the problem is, that applies to every character.

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What if The HOTU only works on marvel ?

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R/Whowouldwin would like to disagree with you.

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You can use Saitama based on his feats alone.

Solid Snake

Jul 22 2017, 06:17 PM

Got a question, so how do we know TOAA is all that? I get he's the author or whatever, but given that the character doesn't really showcase much, how do we know he's all that?

Notaka

Jul 22 2017, 06:20 PM

I think scaling and statements, plus the fact that his omnipotence never was questioned.
He's omniscient because he created all the Marvel multiverse, after all.

Darker

Jul 22 2017, 07:28 PM

Notaka

Jul 22 2017, 05:15 PM

Pretty sure he's a joke character. You can be a joke and horror character at the same time.

He was a joke character in the movie, the cartoon and the comics based on the cartoon. Anywhere else? He was meant to be a nightmare for every average joe.

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But the problem is, that applies to every character.

No... it doesn't. Because with Bugs, that's a trademark trait, he's meant to be like that and it's part of his character, and it's not limited to the show or the movie, or the game (as proven by all the Looney Tunes s*** they have). Saitama is a trope-breaker whose power only works in his universe because the plot demands it to be that way. And besides, Saitama is the one who chooses to one-shot enemies, sometimes he lets them take more than one punch, like Boros or Garou.

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What if The HOTU only works on marvel ?

Why do you think the HOTU is called The Heart of the Universe?

Yes, because it's theorized it could be TOAA's heart, and this is further proven by how Thanos talks about his powers. In fact, every issue of "Marvel: The End" is him narrating how the events went down, he's the only one in his Universe that is alive.

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R/Whowouldwin would like to disagree with you.

This is not r/whowouldwin and here we follow different rules.

I mean, seriously? Are you really going to go check other people's opinions instead of giving your own? You're better than that.

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You can use Saitama based on his feats alone.

You may use him, but you'll never be able to use him with his full power, because he only went A BIT serious with Boros.

Solid Snake

Jul 22 2017, 06:17 PM

Got a question, so how do we know TOAA is all that? I get he's the author or whatever, but given that the character doesn't really showcase much, how do we know he's all that?

Because of the way people talk about him, especially the few cosmic entities allowed to know his presence, such as Eternity and The Living Tribunal.

And he's not the character. He's the representation of the author and exists outside the story. That's all you need to know, and he's only made more impressive when considering those who took the HOTU are next to nothing compared to TOAA, because while Thanos was very much aware of the real world, he was still limited to his character traits and weaknesses. Death was the one who eventually stopped him. One kiss from her beloved was all he needed to understand all the wrong he had done.

Notaka

Jul 22 2017, 06:20 PM

I think scaling and statements, plus the fact that his omnipotence never was questioned.
He's omniscient because he created all the Marvel multiverse, after all.

Omniverse, not multiverse.



This is a spanish scan from another site, but you get the idea anyway.

Let's stop this here, btw. Everything that needed to be discussed already has.