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Is Vegito stronger or as strong as Whis ?
Topic Started: May 22 2017, 10:53 AM (2,006 Views)
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In the manga, Vegito was said to surpass Beerus.

However, in the recent chapters, Goku had perfect SSJB, which Vegeta knew since he fused with Goku, meaning Vegito must of had it. So that means Vegito should also have Perfect SSJB.

So with Perfect SSJB, I think it's become obvious that Vegito is much stronger then Beerus now and would stomp him seeing how Goku went from getting stomped to equaling Zamasu, but how does he fare against Whis with such a big boost in power ?


Personally, I think he should be at least on Whis level seeing how big the power boost was.
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Whis still has hax and his Bodyparts reacts instantly independently. And we dont know how Hakai works on Vegito. Powerwise he maybe can be equal to Whis but we dont know how much stronger Whis is than Beerus. The 6 10 15 scale is retconned.
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I'd still say Whis is stronger currently. If Beerus is a 10 and Whis is a 15, I'd say SSB Vegito is a 12.
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Honestly supreme Kais word is sorta questionable to me. I take it with a grain of salt so I vegito is not necessarily stronger than beerus but in the same league as him. I don't think we know enough to talk about whis

Now...here's the thing. Vegito wasn't a complete a ssjb was he? If he uses it then he'd blow beerus and probably whis away imo
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If Vegetto was a Complete Super Saiyan Blue, I doubt the Potara fusion would've dissipated in what seemed like two minutes. He probably figured regular Super Saiyan Blue would be enough (which it definitely was), and didn't figure on it draining the fusion time, so he didn't utilize it nor alternating Super Saiyan God.

As for the topic, a CSSB Vegetto could possibly be above Whis, but who knows. We don't know what the gap is between Beerus and Whis in the manga; it's simply never been elaborated on, and probably Toyotaro doesn't know at this point either.
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The way I interpreted it was that ssjb Vegetto ~ Beerus not >. He still has a way to go to match Whis. Not to mention Kai probably doesn't know the full extent of Beerus power. In fairness, when someone like Kai says something I take it as the author talking to us as a reader. I think that was Toyotaro telling us where Vegetto stands against Beerus in his story. So Vegetto is around Beerus Whis is still above the two.
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Vegito should easily be above Whis even in regular SSB, CSSB stomps
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May 22 2017, 08:56 PM
Vegito should easily be above Whis even in regular SSB, CSSB stomps
How do you figure that one?
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May 22 2017, 08:56 PM
Vegito should easily be above Whis even in regular SSB, CSSB stomps
Bold statements considering we haven't seen either Beerus or Whis use their full powers. Especially Whis.
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May 22 2017, 09:40 PM
SSB Vegito
May 22 2017, 08:56 PM
Vegito should easily be above Whis even in regular SSB, CSSB stomps
Bold statements considering we haven't seen either Beerus or Whis use their full powers. Especially Whis.
Whis knows Beerus full power, and supreme kai should have a understanding of it as well. Fact is, I don't think they would make such a statement from the authors if it wasn't true.

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May 22 2017, 11:57 PM
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May 22 2017, 09:40 PM
SSB Vegito
May 22 2017, 08:56 PM
Vegito should easily be above Whis even in regular SSB, CSSB stomps
Bold statements considering we haven't seen either Beerus or Whis use their full powers. Especially Whis.
Whis knows Beerus full power, and supreme kai should have a understanding of it as well. Fact is, I don't think they would make such a statement from the authors if it wasn't true.

Allen Iverson voice turned on ... We talking about the Supreme Kai

We talking about the Supreme Kai who doesn't tell Trunks he can heal
We talking about the Supreme Kai who gives Babaidi half the energy for Buu
We talking about the Supreme Kai who wanted to fight Pui Pui 4 on 1
We talking about the Supreme Kai who didn't think to train Vegeta with the Z sword
We talking about the Supreme Kai who didn't know about ssj2
We talking about the Supreme Kai who didn't tell them Buu could absorb people to after it happened

We talking about Shin, that Supreme Kai, his world as Gospel?
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We talking about the Supreme Kai who doesn't tell Trunks he can heal


Didn't even know Trunks can heal until he found out he was a disciple.

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We talking about the Supreme Kai who gives Babaidi half the energy for Buu


In order to follow them back to the hideout to find out where bibidi is, kinda smart there

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We talking about the Supreme Kai who wanted to fight Pui Pui 4 on 1


Rather safe then sorry, Supreme kai was trying to stop the buu resurrection to whatever degree possible.

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We talking about the Supreme Kai who didn't think to train Vegeta with the Z sword


He didn't ask, nor would it make a difference if he trained any of the SSj2s with it. Plus the whole majin thing kinda set everything off there

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We talking about the Supreme Kai who didn't know about ssj2


So did Bibidi, everyone underestimate the level of saiyans on the planet. I believe Dabura said 300 years ago or something that there was never someone this strong.

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We talking about the Supreme Kai who didn't tell them Buu could absorb people to after it happened


Lack of information doesn't stop his ability to gauge power. He also forgot to tell them about his candy beam. Fact is, the power was more concerning then some hax abilities.

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We talking about Shin, that Supreme Kai, his world as Gospel?


Not even close to gospel truth, but still reliable enough to be taken seriously.
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There was still no sense to letting them feed the energy to buy even to this day. In fact to this day the only one with a lick of sense was Vegeta saying blow the damn ship up. If they blow it up, they are very much so suited to win right there and then. There was no point letting them take the energy inside or not blaring the whole ship away right then

Even if Babadis guys survive, the main ones anyhow, we have a scenario of the following

Kibito, Piccolo, Shin and Krillin vs Pui Pui and Yakon
Gohan, Goku, Vegeta vs Dabura and Buu

Vegeta calls Gohan trash and could end the fight he was watching easy, as could Goku which they don't hide sideline quarterbacking as Goku is the strongest guy there and Vegeta literally at that point was the strongest warrior alive on earth.

Shins Grand plan gave Buu half his revival energy, got Piccolo and Krillin turned to stone as he only mentions the ability once again after they got spit on, and had the saiyans preserve the ship and duck around with stages like a game show.

Even if they wake Buu up, it's a weaker Buu than fat Buu. That means ssj3 Goku wins vs him. Vegeta wins vs Dabura. The others take out Yakon and Pui Pui. Then we have Shin throw them a reward of Goku vs Vegeta in other world as he can make that happen.

Shin is terribad at his job in both timelines. He tells info late, doesn't know other info, and is a moderate coward to boot. The only reliable Kai they have is King Kai

Edited by Kblo247, May 23 2017, 12:51 AM.
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This honestly has nothing to do with the reliability of shin word, rather putting hypothetical situations in every event and how it would of turned out if this or that happened. Fact is, if we went by that then no one in DBZ would be reliable since their is a s*** ton of ways things could of been done better.
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I accept his statement only because narratively it doesn't make sense to just completely ignore something that big. I just take it with a grain of salt though because supreme kai doesn't have a good record. Still, vegito should at least be in the same ball park as beerus.

CSSJB vegito>>>>beerus though. Feels good to say lol
Edited by Ssj3vegito96, May 23 2017, 02:58 AM.
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