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Base saiyans in RoF retconned?
Topic Started: May 17 2017, 01:51 AM (1,257 Views)
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so one of the biggest inconsitencies when trying to place any form of power scaling to super is the enourmous gap between base Goku and Vegeta and everyone else during the RoF and Copy Vegeta arcs. But since the Goku black arc goku's base has been portrayed to be within the league and sometimes weaker than the other fighters especially during the recent episodes.

it seems to me as though akira realised he has made the gap far too large and pretty much discarded it in recent episodes

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I believe it's been retconned too. Some of the events that have happened since the RoF arc simply make no sense if Base Goku is still godly.
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It's almost like Goku has 2 base forms or something.
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All Goku is doing his holding back appropriately to his opponent's expected power in my opinion. Any character that should be fodder to him have powered up, poorly executed, but powered up nonetheless. It's not like 17/Lapis is still only Super Saiyan level but fighting on par with Blue, he's a stronger individual now.

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May 17 2017, 03:21 AM
All Goku is doing his holding back appropriately to his opponent's expected power in my opinion. Any character that should be fodder to him have powered up, poorly executed, but powered up nonetheless. It's not like 17/Lapis is still only Super Saiyan level but fighting on par with Blue, he's a stronger individual now.

Yep, but the gap of having Base Vegeta and Goku SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than ss3 Gotenks, SS Gohan and Piccolo, with an emphasis on Gotenks. then add super saiyan multipliers to that and tell me how training is supposed to close that gap without new forms or years ofntraining, regardless of super logic.

The portrayel of Goku and Vegetas base being godlike pretty much dissapeared the moment they started using regular super saiyan again
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It's like they re-learned regular base and ssj forms during that three years in the ROSAT.

But ssj,2,3 seem pointless if base can be ssjg level. No way have the other caught up and surpassed ssjg Goku X 50 X 2 X 4 X whatever blue is in just a few months.
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If they can control their power then they should be able to hold back still

Say for instance Goku's total base is now 500 and Krillin is like 5 at his lowest and 35 at his highest, Goku can easily go from 500 to 1 for his base and still top that with the 50 times multiplier putting him at 50. Goku going from 50 to over 150,000 with Blue was just to see how he'd fair against even more stronger opponents. Goku can also better control his ki too so the Kamehameha could've been contained to just over Krillin's full power which would probably be over Krillin's limit but controlled so that he wouldn't necessarily kill or injure him.
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Two-base theory, Saiyan beyond God thingy.
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Jun 1 2017, 11:30 PM
Two-base theory, Saiyan beyond God thingy.
It's really the only thing that makes sense.

Even Black being able to f*** with ssjb Vegeta in base gives credence to the two base theory.

Even if you believed Black was using regular ssj, there's no way Vegeta got 50X stronger in his ROSAT trip and then Goku can still be relevant.
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