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The Toiurnament of Power - Goku Scale
Topic Started: May 14 2017, 04:33 AM (3,419 Views)
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May 16 2017, 05:41 AM
18 is stronger than krillin but


Krillin is noway equal to base goku. Remember when gohan in base trashed him ? Krillin could only do something against goku while they played by the tournament rules. Or unless base untrained gohan is stronger than base goku.

This theory that krillin equal to base goku is like saying piccolo was equsl to final form frieza just for the fact he kicked him away once

Base vegeta was above ssj3 gotenks and for me untrained base gohan was also below ssj3 gotebks and while he wrecked krillin he shouls be too below base vegeta

As for android 18 krillin could fight back so she shall be too weaket than gotenks and thus vasr goku

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i like that, sounds good to me.
The whole base Krillen = Base Goku never sat with me for a minute. that would have Krillen > SS3 Gotenks which just isnt happening, no matter how retarded super is.
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I don't agree with Krillin being on par with Base Goku either. We saw Base Goku go toe to toe with a super trained Base Gohan, who before his training was tossing Krillin aside like a burnt hot pocket.

Base Gohan (current) >= Base Goku = Krillin >>> Base Gohan (exhibition) >>> Krillin?
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Krillin unlike Tien wasn't seeing stars, wobbly legged or impacted by Gohan punching him through a mountain. He wasn't out of breath, didn't have a scratch on him, and laughed moments later when he beat him. Krillin also admits to holding back when he says he wouldn't show Gohan all his tricks. We also are told Krillin used up stamina using the new solar flare but 18, but krillin tells her I got this, I want to fight Goku. We see him put out more power and amp a kamehameha up to move a blue one. And we end with him declaring he is ready to go for round 3 and face Gohan and Goku with 18 without even a senzu so he hasnt tapped his reserves out
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Gohan wasn't trying either, and was still superior.



Krillin aggressively attacked Gohan, who easily blocked everything. While in a standstill, Krillin asked Gohan why he wouldn't go full power against him (basically). Krillin got two-shotted into a rock but recovered extremely quickly to dodge an incoming kick from Gohan. Then Krillin hit the Taiyoken x100 and knocked Gohan out of the imaginary ring.

Nothing in the fight indicated Krillin was on Gohan's level. Sure, Krillin basically told Gohan to use full power on him, but there's no reason to believe Gohan actually did, especially when he didn't even flare an aura (admittedly neither did Krillin). Blocking Gohan's senses was the only way for Krillin to "win." Neither of them took damage from their attacks, that's true, but again, Gohan wasn't implied to be going all-out and Krillin was shown to be clearly inferior. Holding back some tricks doesn't equate to holding back raw power.

I honestly have no reason to consider Krillin on the same tier as Gohan, man. I just don't see it, not from their one-on-one battle.



This was a skill showcase for Krillin and a lesson to Goku. I hardly consider it to mean Krillin is in any way close to Goku – in any form. Krillin was always one step ahead of Goku up until Blue was brought in. Using Blue was to drill in the purpose of this fight being a test for Krillin. Goku can control his power output perfectly in Blue. The fact that he went right for a Kamehameha rather than continuing to fight like before pretty much supports that. The whole battle was to test Krillin's mettle, not something to gauge his power; we already saw how he stacked up against Gohan, after which he wanted to get stronger, so moving on to a much more powerful Goku in order to test his power would be completely redundant.

Anyway, that's what I think after watching the fights again. I'm not saying Krillin is a piece of trash, but I think he's being overrated due to looking at his feats in the practice fights rather taking the fights for what they really were.
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To be fair it is vastly different don't you think Pyrus, how they illustrate Krillin and Tien for example?

Both Krillin and Tien think these are practice matches. Both Krillin and Tien believe that they are only fighting for money. And in the case of Gohan he wants to prove that Krillin doesn't belong or at the least see why KRillin is an auto add for Goku. 18 notes how much more serious Gohan is taking this than a spar from his demeanor. You can debate if they hit one another at full power or not but Krillin still basically dares him to him for real and Gohan scowls and punches him twice only for Krillin to have not a scratch.

Tien thinks this is all a big spar. His whole reaction is calm down, stop, lets not injure them, etc. He is visibly worried by this all. Then he gets his world rocked really with one punch. He can't catch his breath or stand to his feet to even line up the tribeam. Then he calls the whole thing off after he gets hammered.

Krillin is stated to have lost some stamina but tell 18 hey I want to fight Goku and I know what I'm in for. We see more tricks and we see an assault Goku still uses SSJ to shake off. We then see the beam struggle and high amp. Now granted the struggle is stopped but Krillin shakes himself back up and gets to his feet. HE never takes a senze or a break. HE even is miffed Goku wants to stop and said c'mon Gohan lets go and make this 2 on 2.

My point is that for Krillin to not be tapped out at all on his energy and be willing to keep fighting Goku and Gohan 2 x 2 then you have to think he had more ki in his reserves. How else do you write off that bravado when his full power still hadn't been tapped out yet presumably?

Even if not equal, its rivaling to a certain point in my opinion ... After all in Kai continuity he still charges Kid and Super Buu. He surpassed his limits back in the forest. And as Goku said to 17, he is stronger than ever. I mean we are talking about the guy who had every bone broke in his body before with Recoome, Nappa, and neck snapped with Cell for example yet he has no scratches on him and has more power to keep going
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Krillin has definitely turned over a new leaf. His self-worth has shot through the roof. Compare that to almost anytime previously and it's a shocking difference. His power has reached new heights and he's got the confidence to show for it. I think Krillin's just not afraid to face mountains anymore, whereas before he didn't want to take on anything bigger than himself.

Tenshinhan, on the other hand, hasn't shown much of any character development...not that he's been able to with the two episodes he's been in so far. He was the same stoic warrior as before in his invitation episode, and he seemed almost too cautious in the sparring match with the others. There's nothing to latch onto there. Why should viewers care about him or think he's going to do anything of relevance in the tournament?

The difference between how Krillin and Tenshinhan have been represented is staggering to say the least.
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I half way wonder how Yamchas resolve would have been presented in this arc if they took say 12 people per team?

You make a good point though. It's almost half way like Super built to Krillin and Gohan too not being all the re mental strength wise. They seemed to have found new power, heights, and resolve and it all started with them having new mindsets. Roshi said Gohan wants to be the best and he shows it. Krillin thought facing blue Goku head on would be fun which is a wild jump for him.

I expected Tien to be presented as weaker, but I didn't expect the personality. HE was acting like a girl in the fight. He kept saying no, stop, no, stop, and he got rocked. It is like he got soft over simply being stoic.
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Krillin is way below untrained base gohan, as it was shown in the anime. His effort to push goku out of the ring is another thing. Goku could have won if he had wanted to
Instead he showed or rather tested him whether he can do some tricks when the opponent is miles above.

17 was qual to ssjb unless goku was somehow holding back.

Gohan I think was not above ssjb. I mean ssj2 goku could also land punches on him. Goku used kaioken not to win the battle but rather to show the power differences of his power and gohans..... as he asked to.


Vegeta and Goku are the top dogs, after that Gohan and 17 , after that Buu and Piccolo , after that Roshi and 18 after that Krillin and Tien

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May 17 2017, 01:27 PM
Krillin is way below untrained base gohan, as it was shown in the anime. His effort to push goku out of the ring is another thing. Goku could have won if he had wanted to
Instead he showed or rather tested him whether he can do some tricks when the opponent is miles above.

17 was qual to ssjb unless goku was somehow holding back.

Gohan I think was not above ssjb. I mean ssj2 goku could also land punches on him. Goku used kaioken not to win the battle but rather to show the power differences of his power and gohans..... as he asked to.


Vegeta and Goku are the top dogs, after that Gohan and 17 , after that Buu and Piccolo , after that Roshi and 18 after that Krillin and Tien
I'm 100% sure Krillin is Stronger than Roshi.

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Geralt of Rivia
May 17 2017, 01:27 PM
Krillin is way below untrained base gohan, as it was shown in the anime. His effort to push goku out of the ring is another thing. Goku could have won if he had wanted to
Instead he showed or rather tested him whether he can do some tricks when the opponent is miles above.

17 was qual to ssjb unless goku was somehow holding back.

Gohan I think was not above ssjb. I mean ssj2 goku could also land punches on him. Goku used kaioken not to win the battle but rather to show the power differences of his power and gohans..... as he asked to.


Vegeta and Goku are the top dogs, after that Gohan and 17 , after that Buu and Piccolo , after that Roshi and 18 after that Krillin and Tien
I'm 100% sure Krillin is Stronger than Roshi.

Why ?


Untrained base gohan was stronger than krillin while buffed roshi could push goku to use kamehameha.


And base goku >>>untrained base gohan >>krillin


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Krillin is way below untrained base gohan, as it was shown in the anime. His effort to push goku out of the ring is another thing. Goku could have won if he had wanted to
Instead he showed or rather tested him whether he can do some tricks when the opponent is miles above.

17 was qual to ssjb unless goku was somehow holding back.

Gohan I think was not above ssjb. I mean ssj2 goku could also land punches on him. Goku used kaioken not to win the battle but rather to show the power differences of his power and gohans..... as he asked to.


Vegeta and Goku are the top dogs, after that Gohan and 17 , after that Buu and Piccolo , after that Roshi and 18 after that Krillin and Tien
I'm 100% sure Krillin is Stronger than Roshi.

Why ?


Untrained base gohan was stronger than krillin while buffed roshi could push goku to use kamehameha.


And base goku >>>untrained base gohan >>krillin


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Krillin has trained since then.
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May 17 2017, 01:27 PM
Krillin is way below untrained base gohan, as it was shown in the anime. His effort to push goku out of the ring is another thing. Goku could have won if he had wanted to
Instead he showed or rather tested him whether he can do some tricks when the opponent is miles above.

17 was qual to ssjb unless goku was somehow holding back.

Gohan I think was not above ssjb. I mean ssj2 goku could also land punches on him. Goku used kaioken not to win the battle but rather to show the power differences of his power and gohans..... as he asked to.


Vegeta and Goku are the top dogs, after that Gohan and 17 , after that Buu and Piccolo , after that Roshi and 18 after that Krillin and Tien
I'm 100% sure Krillin is Stronger than Roshi.

Why ?


Untrained base gohan was stronger than krillin while buffed roshi could push goku to use kamehameha.


And base goku >>>untrained base gohan >>krillin


:rofl:
Krillin has trained since then.
Since when ? I mean the time between krillin's battle with gohan and with goku took about 1 hour

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May 17 2017, 04:09 PM
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May 17 2017, 02:57 PM
Geralt of Rivia
May 17 2017, 01:27 PM
Krillin is way below untrained base gohan, as it was shown in the anime. His effort to push goku out of the ring is another thing. Goku could have won if he had wanted to
Instead he showed or rather tested him whether he can do some tricks when the opponent is miles above.

17 was qual to ssjb unless goku was somehow holding back.

Gohan I think was not above ssjb. I mean ssj2 goku could also land punches on him. Goku used kaioken not to win the battle but rather to show the power differences of his power and gohans..... as he asked to.


Vegeta and Goku are the top dogs, after that Gohan and 17 , after that Buu and Piccolo , after that Roshi and 18 after that Krillin and Tien
I'm 100% sure Krillin is Stronger than Roshi.

Why ?


Untrained base gohan was stronger than krillin while buffed roshi could push goku to use kamehameha.


And base goku >>>untrained base gohan >>krillin


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Krillin has trained since then.
Since when ? I mean the time between krillin's battle with gohan and with goku took about 1 hour
Are you sure about that?

And to your previous post, Goku ended the fight with the Kamehameha because there wasn't anymore time to keep fighting, which he was happy to do. He slapped away Roshi's Kamehameha like it was nothing, after all, while his KO'd Roshi.
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When did a17 say that he would lose if they keep going? He never said that afaik, but do post proof if you have it.
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May 20 2017, 12:55 AM
When did a17 say that he would lose if they keep going? He never said that afaik, but do post proof if you have it.
He didn't say that. He said if he and Goku had fought "back then," he probably would've lost.
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