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| Does Manga Zamasu/Black kind of suck? | |
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| EMIYA | May 1 2017, 08:59 PM Post #1 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Let's be straight up honest here, Black and Zamasu are awful in the manga. Not only are they pathetically weak compared to their anime counterparts but their personality is so drastically diminished that they are nothing more than the typical brute villains we've seen all the time. Say what you want but at least the anime tried to give Black/Zamasu actual personalities, actually tried to make them more than just stereotypical villains and made it that they truly believed that their goals would better the universe. Let's do a character comparison. --- --- Anime Zamasu: In the anime, flawed as it might be, you can see the complexity in Zamasu's character. He wants the world to be good and is sick that the mortals seem to be desecrating the beautiful gift the gods gave them. As a person who is calm, collective and seemingly mature, he finds the brute nature of the mortals repulsive. This personality is kept all the way up until is corruption as Merged Zamasu. There is barely a time where he loses his cool and even when he does, he manages to keep his composure. He even keeps it up until his death when Beerus kills him. He is supposed to be a god who is above likes of these barbaric mortals which only makes it more poetic when he ends up transforming into a monster every bit of brutish as the mortals he once hated. You also feel more for his ideology as he seems more legitimate on it. He even cries about it. Manga Zamasu Oh boy. So people often say anime Zamasu was a whiny little b*** hypocrite. Well, say hello to Manga Zamasu. He doesn't hold near the same level of concern for his ideology and it almost appears more personal than actually wanting the universe to be better. Where as Anime Zamasu could be a calm individual even when Beerus is about to vaporize him. Manga Zamasu is screaming and whining like a little Kylo-Ren b***. For a guy who hate the barbarism of the mortals, he is throwing little fits left and right. This ends up deeply effecting his interaction with Black too. In the anime, they are kindred spirts, brothers who work perfectly along side one another. In the manga, not only do they not fight together but they even argue and fight each other. It's just another sign of the hypocrisy of them that the anime was at least more subtle about. Anime Black For a lot of people, Black is the best part about super and the best villain ever. I don't know about that but its easy to see why he's liked so much. He is strong and suave. He holds the idea of a composed mind as a god with the power and desire of fighting as a Saiyan. While evil he has an essence of respect for others if not still snarky about it. He even gives praise to Vegeta as he wraps himself in godly garb as a Super Saiyan blue. And much like Zamasu, Black keeps his composure which of course makes sense. He is a god, is abo the barbaric nature of the mortals. And as mentioned, his interaction with Zamasu comes off a lot more as comradery. Manga Black Hey remember how composed and elegant Black was int he anime, how he treats his transformations as a godly form of beauty. Well what if he was a psychotic nutjob who ran around beating the crap out of people weaker than him but whined like a bitchy little child when things don't go his way! Wouldn't that be awesome? Seriously, if Anime Zamasu/Black are hypocrites, I'm shocked everyone didn't implode on impact when these guys opened their stupid mouths in the manga. Zamasu went off about how mortals were so barbaric and yet here's Black being one of the most brutish characters here. Aren't you supposed to be a god? There's nothing likable about Black. He's pathetically weak in comparison to his anime counterpart and has none of the personality that make him likable or respectable in the anime. Anime Merged Zamasu And now we have their fusion. Firstly, the build up to the fusion is so much better in the anime. But just as before, we have Zamasu acting like a god. He is above mortals so he stands above them...literally. He is arrogant but composed, like a god would be. He presents multiple attacks of godly nature. Raining swords of light, bringing the light of justice down, halos, etc. Then, as mentioned, as it goes on, there's more poetic justice as Zamasu's personality begins breaking down and that composure turns into a brutish hate. Also, its far more interesting to see him and Vegetto duke it out mono-de-mono in an equal, no-holds-barred-beatdown fight. Manga Merged Zamasu So like we mentioned with Black, let's take the godly composed being and make him into a psycho nutjob. Merged Zamasu may not be suffering from the inconsistency of getting kicked by goku, but instead he suffers as a lame, stereotypical villain. As we see in the anime, he presents himself as a composed and arrogant god whose facade is ultimately broken. In the manga, he goes off the deep end. He sprouts out about his power, his greatness, how he's the only intelligent life form worthy of the world. He starts laughing like a maniac, shooting blasts and tossing big blocs. For the first time,it's cool (the Katchin) but when its the only thing you do, it's like come on. What's worse is the fact that he's apparently still immortal and he still can't keep his composure. A lot of people even seem to compare him and Black himself as just a copy paste of Toyotaro's old AF character Xicor. --- --- Overall, as flawed as Anime Zamasu/Black might be, they at least had personalities beyond dickwads and at least had the audacity to keep up with their ideologies until the end. Thecame off as stronger, smarter and more respectable in that regard. In comparison, their manga counter parts are just weak jokes who not only have poor intentions and hypocrisy but barely even seem to care about it themselves. They were little children who acted every bit of brutish and immature as the mortals they mocked from the very start. There is nothing to like about them, nothing to respect about them and hold none of the attributes that were even remotely good about them in the anime. |
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| + Pyrus | May 1 2017, 09:35 PM Post #2 |
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I agree with 99% of this, but I'm not sure what the 1% is that I disagree with. Goku Black in the manga is pretty much a bully. He's quick to pick on Trunks, who he knows he can stomp into the mud, but when presented with someone like Vegeta, who can stomp him into the mud, he whines about it being unfair. He lacks any kind of calm presence and godlike aura that his anime counterpart had. He gets hyped up a bunch by Trunks, but then he gets absolutely trashed and damn near killed by SSJ2 Vegeta – not even Blue Vegeta, just Super Saiyan 2. He regains a bit of his cool factor when he achieves Super Saiyan Rose and puts Vegeta down, but again he loses it by getting punked by Vegeta for a second time. In the end, he wasn't much to speak of. He was a big threat in the anime because he continuously got stronger throughout battle, and was already on the same level as Vegeta to begin with. Manga Zamasu was just kind of there as a plot device to keep Black alive. He wasn't a threat, and he lost his composure as soon as things started going south. |
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| + Saiyan Paladin | May 1 2017, 10:17 PM Post #3 |
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Black and Zamas' characters are better in the anime, but I am genuinely enjoying the fights in the manga more than in the anime. I don't miss the rage boosts and zenkais after every punch. |
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| + Pyrus | May 1 2017, 10:28 PM Post #4 |
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This is very much true as well. It got to be a little ridiculous that every time someone was outmatched, they got a rage boost or a zenkai. Zamasu, Trunks, Vegeta, Black, and Goku could hardly be differentiated strength-wise, when the latter three should've been leagues above the first two, especially after the aforementioned zenkais and a RoSaT training session. One thing the manga has done well enough is make clear where the characters stand in comparison to one another. We know how powerful Zamasu, Trunks, Goku, Vegeta, and Black are because we're given statements that aren't contradicted by feats. |
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| + Saiyan Paladin | May 1 2017, 10:35 PM Post #5 |
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And there was actually blood. Not that I read or watch Dragonball for blood and gore, but the original manga/anime, Z and GT had some bloody fights. Sometimes in the Super anime I couldn't even tell if people were hurt due to the lack of bruises and blood and even tattered clothing.
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| EMIYA | May 1 2017, 11:30 PM Post #6 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Actually I've felt that the manga has often been too rushed in a lot of regards. While it's definitely nice to get some consistency, especially in regards to power, its often filled with similar character issues and pacing troubles. Which is a surprising thing considering the anime. If the anime can be too slow the manga ends up being too fast. I feel it just wants to get the basic premise down and then get to the next scene. It often results in a lot of the material coming of as rushed. The same can be said for the characters, there's barely any time to really delve into them. it also means less sense of dwelling into the world of the series. The anime at least gave us some decent slice of life episodes. An example would be the Super Saiyan God transformation. in the manga, it is literally one page, filled with flashback panels and then "poof*...Super Saiyan God Goku. The anime went all out, really trying to express the transformation and was one of the few things done better than the movie. in the anime, the Golden Freeza arc is a load of s***...but we got something. The manga just goes straight into training, vaguely mentioning Golden Freeza and still introducing Super Saiyan Blue. Apparently all the BS that happened there in the anime happened in the manga but nothing is said. In the end, while the anime isn't as consistent, it's far more willing to take risks and go all out. You can simply do a lot more in arc for 12 episodes than you can trying to shove an entire story line into 4 chapters. |
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| FutureSaiyan | May 2 2017, 01:08 PM Post #7 |
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did Trunks go SS Rage in the manga? if yea which chapter? i wish to see if it was handled better/worse |
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| Billa | May 2 2017, 02:36 PM Post #8 |
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Thala na Gethu!
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Not tryin to go off topic, but not just Black/Zamasu, almost every goddamn character in Anime right frm Beerus/Whis to the latest 17 is light years AHEAD of their manga counterparts Despite Anime's atrocious animation, puke-inducing artistry, garbage pacing & utterly pointless camerawork/action choreography, TOEI is known for their "legendary fillers" & it wouldnt be an understatement to say it has helped greatly in Super thus far |
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| Norc Groose | May 2 2017, 05:20 PM Post #9 |
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I feel my biggest problem with the manga is that it doesn't give me any incentive to put any sort of investment into the characters barring maybe Vegeta. Trunks comes off as just being there, Zamasu and Black are incredibly bland compared to their anime portrayals, and manga Hit isn't the impressive threat he was in the anime. I love the better consistency of power scaling in the manga, but I'd be lying if I said that saved it from being boring to me. I also enjoy the fights in the anime more. Things make so much less sense and certainly have far more lows than the manga does, but for me it also has far greater and more high points as well. It's really a shame that the manga screwed up with Black and Zamasu. |
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| + Pyrus | May 2 2017, 09:26 PM Post #10 |
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I like what Toyotaro has done with Hit, though. The guy isn't leveling up at an insane rate, and he's not being made into a third f***ing rival for Goku. |
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