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How strong is piccolo so far?; ?
Topic Started: Apr 24 2017, 12:56 AM (853 Views)
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He seem to be around gohan level or equal
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I don't think the writers even know how strong Gohan is. Is he as strong as his Ultimate self? Is he weaker than his Boo Saga self? In between? They haven't given a good answer so far, at least in the show. It looked like he was back to his Ultimate self (with Super Saiyan) during the exhibition tournament, but now it doesn't appear that way if he's trying to get back to that level. That battle with Goku must've been filler.

I thought one of the bios recently released said he was going to re-achieve that level of power by the exhibition.
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It actually said Ultimate Gohan would be stronger than ever. So if for example SSJ = Ultimate, Ultimate now surpasses that level is what I took from it all. Basically Gohanss base is SSJ level, his SSJ is Ultimate level, his Ultimate will be higher, and whatever wall they speak of him breaking later vs Goku will be SSJ Rage level imo.

Piccolo was weaker than weakened Gohan who had not being training and couldn't hold ssj. HE was weaker than natural Tagoma and base Gohan, let alone SSJ Gohan and Ginyu. We see him matching base Gohan months later pre Champa tourney and he knows about the Zeno tourney with no exact date attached to it. In the preview he still has his weights on vs a SSJ so he is stronger by a lot.

I see it simply as being like this

Base Gohan Exhibition - Krillin can handle
Buu Exhibition - 18 can handle
SSJ Gohan Exhibition - Piccolo can handle
Vegetas base strength in copy arc - Slim Buu
Gold Frieza - 17
SSJ Rage Future Trunks - Gohans goal (still weaker than Black, which is weaker than the dads)

I think Tien and Roshi will see small boosts. Maybe we see Roshi lumped with where the humans were at Friezas arrival and Tien where Piccolo was when Tagoma stomped him for example which is still power ups
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Kblo247
Apr 24 2017, 02:26 AM
It actually said Ultimate Gohan would be stronger than ever. So if for example SSJ = Ultimate, Ultimate now surpasses that level is what I took from it all. Basically Gohanss base is SSJ level, his SSJ is Ultimate level, his Ultimate will be higher, and whatever wall they speak of him breaking later vs Goku will be SSJ Rage level imo.

Piccolo was weaker than weakened Gohan who had not being training and couldn't hold ssj. HE was weaker than natural Tagoma and base Gohan, let alone SSJ Gohan and Ginyu. We see him matching base Gohan months later pre Champa tourney and he knows about the Zeno tourney with no exact date attached to it. In the preview he still has his weights on vs a SSJ so he is stronger by a lot.

I see it simply as being like this

Base Gohan Exhibition - Krillin can handle
Buu Exhibition - 18 can handle
SSJ Gohan Exhibition - Piccolo can handle
Vegetas base strength in copy arc - Slim Buu
Gold Frieza - 17
SSJ Rage Future Trunks - Gohans goal (still weaker than Black, which is weaker than the dads)

I think Tien and Roshi will see small boosts. Maybe we see Roshi lumped with where the humans were at Friezas arrival and Tien where Piccolo was when Tagoma stomped him for example which is still power ups
interesting, so you think SS Rage Trunks is stronger than Golden Frieza? i'd consider him weaker based on the fact that he at best probably matches SSB Golu and Vegeta at that point in time who were weaker than Frieza.

On topic: I'd say by the time of the tournament Piccolo would be at least mystic gohan tier if not higher, based on the fact that piccolo presumably has enough power to push gohan past his previous limit
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I think Trunks is more in line with them in the Champa arc. Goku and Vegeta had passed that level in the copy arc with training imo, just like they had surpassed their rof level before going into the rosat. Months had supposedly passed since the champa tourney and they were still training with Whis again.

Ssj3 Goku
Vegeta SSJ2 Mutation
Ssj Goku with God ritual done wrong
SSG
SSJ Goku after ritual wears off
SSGSS Rof
Gold Frieza
SSGSS post ROF
SSGSS post ROSAT
SSGSS kaioken
SSGSS
SSGSS Goku Enraged
SSGSS Vegeta ROSAT training
Goku and Vegeta using full power
Goku kaioken
Vegetto
Spirit Sword Trunks
Vegetto Blue

I think Rage Trunks falls between where they were entering the Champa tourney. He was still weaker than them and Black. We know Goku and Vegeta are beyond Gokus kaioken at the tourney so they have become more than 10x stronger at least from there to now.

I think they are playing up Gohan being the third guy with all this which is the role Trunks had as a hybrid in their biggest arc. Trunks should be able to keep up with Frieza since base Goku could fight final form and his SSJ2 was less but comparable to his ssj3. When he raged out he gave Black a decent enough fight to stay alive but he never overwhelmed him imo. He got in one good blast but he never gave Black that holy s*** moment even Vegeta gave him early by catching his punch.

I think the way everything has shaken out from tv time to hype to promo material to opening and endings we will see Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, 17, and Krillin as their top 5 guys in the battles who last the longest and do the most. I do see Tien being treated like fodder. Then I think we see Roshi try hard but can't give any more. We will also probably see 18 used as plot device for Krillin and 17 to kick someone's a***. I think Buu is the shock factor elimination to show some other teams power. And lastly i see Piccolo sacrificing himself for the team at some point

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what suggests that Goku and Vegeta are both above Goku SSB KK x10 at the tourney?
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Apr 25 2017, 06:24 AM
what suggests that Goku and Vegeta are both above Goku SSB KK x10 at the tourney?
Hit was surviving blows from SSBKKX10 Goku at the U6 tourney, all while limited due to not being able to kill. Fast forward to the mini filler saga (if you consider it filler) and Goku isn't doing too bad against a stronger Hit with just regular Super Saiyan Blue. Goku has only gotten stronger since then.

SSB Goku (current) > SSB Goku (Black arc) > SSB Goku (Hit filler) > SSBKKX10 Goku (U6) >>> SSB Goku (U6)

10x is the absolute minimum if you take into account the filler. If you don't, then it's probably not a gigantic gap.
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Yeah the Hit stuff takes into account Goku can overwhelm a stronger Hits Time Skip and pocket dimensions with sheer power without kaioken. Hit was supposed to be stronger than before and yet Gokus normal blue power ripped through his.

I think it can't be counted as filler because it set the stage for Frost being wanted, Cabba still trying to impress Vegeta, Vegeta still training with Whis until Bulmas pregnancy, Goku being bored, Gohan holding ssj again, Krillin finding his fighting spirit to train again, etc ... they were all part of "filler" and we know the Gohan holding ssj and Krillin stuff has stuck and been referenced. Even the Roshi being stronger stuff has stuck since he has a suit heavy even for Goku, can teach the mafuba without being killed, ate leaves that give him another 1000 years of life, and so on
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hmm so our best refernce on power is an episode that may or may not actually exist in the timeline. I guess we'll have too see how the manga handles that time period if at all and perhaps have more to go with, otherwise meh.
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Well the manga really doesn't count in terms of things. It's an adaptation of the anime and it fell behind despite skipping a whole arc. It also contradictory things like Zamasu not staying merged because he isn't a supreme Kai, yet saying only a supreme Kai can use time rings. SSB being used in bursts despite saying the number of times you uses it is draining more so than the form. And people like Gohan, Buu, Krillin, Piccolo, 18 have no role in it leading to the tourney so they will either be weak or get a*** pull off panel power ups whereas the anime covered everyone but Tien really.

Filler isn't forgotten in Super. They reference copy Vegeta during black. They reference Krillins power up, shaving his head and the like from filler. They reference Gohan has been training again and can hold ssj like in the past scenes. They reference 18 being stronger than Krillin and knowing about his moves in advance. I'm just saying they know the whole deal and filler isn't treated like it didn't happen like Garlic Jr for example was. So yeah in Super the hit by Hit counts. Like I said everyone but Tien has a reference point to their power, training, gains, and the like. We even know Cabba gets more saiyans because Champa says get more and make them stronger than you, whereas they will probably just show up in the manga
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