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Goku's power
Topic Started: Apr 23 2017, 10:08 PM (883 Views)
superperfectnerd
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Goku was giving it the big one and egging on the other universes and displaying his overconfidence to everyone but tbh, Toppo was keeping up with ssjbkk, so the saiyans like Goku and Vegeta are only impressive by channelling transformations, Toppo and therefore Jiren would surely annihilate them in their everyday normal forms if they were lucky enough to have learnt the kaioken. So what's so special about the saiyans?
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About the tailless hybrids and U7 ones? Power comes easy to them

About the U6 extinct ones? Not a damn thing

About Goku and Vegeta? They out work every mf in the room and rise to every challenge, Toppo and Jiren are just that.
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That's not what we've been shown before.

Saiyans are the strongest in the universe, even their base forms are way above average. Only ones stronger were Freeza, artificially created power in the androids and Cell, a magic being from time immemorial and gods.

The other universes have casual guys with no transformations at ssjb level. Ssjb is a form, it still has strain on the body and then Goku adds Kaioken. He's so much less impressive than Toppo who is constantly in his fighting form and would be able to better use kaioken because he wouldn't be stacking it on a transformation.

The saiyans weren't undedogs in Z, they just fought unnatural opponents because they were the only ones who could challenge them. Toppo, Jiren and Hit, from what I can tell, are just natural power houses at ssjb level, which makes little sense to me.
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Use the casual DBS logic in this.

Goku was using only 0.000000000000000000000000001% of his true power while in his most powerful transformed state.

I mean, the actual fight doesn't make sense whatsoever. If Toppo was so-oh-terribly losing, why hadn't he powered up BEFORE Goku actually destroyed that precious uniform of his? Because if what we saw is his full power, then Goku didn't actually break a sweat casually trashing him.

Then again, how he even survived the KKH tho'? I don't know. Ask Toriyama, but he won't tell you, 'cause he's on crack when working on Super, period.
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Apr 25 2017, 07:44 PM
Use the casual DBS logic in this.

Goku was using only 0.000000000000000000000000001% of his true power while in his most powerful transformed state.

I mean, the actual fight doesn't make sense whatsoever. If Toppo was so-oh-terribly losing, why hadn't he powered up BEFORE Goku actually destroyed that precious uniform of his? Because if what we saw is his full power, then Goku didn't actually break a sweat casually trashing him.

Then again, how he even survived the KKH tho'? I don't know. Ask Toriyama, but he won't tell you, 'cause he's on crack when working on Super, period.
The writers of Toei are. Toriyama is just collecting his moneys.
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I don't think it's fair to say Toriyama is as high as a kite when writing for this series. The dude just isn't that concerned with continuity or consistency.
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Apr 25 2017, 12:09 PM
That's not what we've been shown before.

Saiyans are the strongest in the universe, even their base forms are way above average. Only ones stronger were Freeza, artificially created power in the androids and Cell, a magic being from time immemorial and gods.

The other universes have casual guys with no transformations at ssjb level. Ssjb is a form, it still has strain on the body and then Goku adds Kaioken. He's so much less impressive than Toppo who is constantly in his fighting form and would be able to better use kaioken because he wouldn't be stacking it on a transformation.

The saiyans weren't undedogs in Z, they just fought unnatural opponents because they were the only ones who could challenge them. Toppo, Jiren and Hit, from what I can tell, are just natural power houses at ssjb level, which makes little sense to me.
Hard to say he was so unimpressive?

SSJ wasn't enough to over power Toppo as seen, but he was able to dodge him multiple times in the golden form.

When he went blue, he turned Toppos face into target practice. Now if you want to say blue jumped the speed up over him but not the power that much it is fine. The problem is he was literally stinging him like a bee. We aren't and haven't really heard of it being over draining since the Champa arc after they have progressed more. The only time they can't transform at will after the Champa stuff is versus Zamasu and that is because they powered the fusion of Vegetro and gave Trunks their energy which is beat Zamasu. They still in their base kept up with SSJ Trunks though as far as speed and blasts.

Now we have no idea of what Kaioken Goku would use. He hasn't shown x10 since Hit. HE used a double for Bergamo and a double for Merged Zamasu. IT isn't crazy to think a X3 or X4 would win it.

Toppo talked big game to his face but the second he stepped away to his gods, he admits he wasn't sure if he could beat Goku

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That's still very impressive for a mortal with no transformations to amp his power.
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