- Dragon Ball Z Forum
- →
- The Lounge
- →
- Deep Discussion
- →
- Question for atheists and agnostics
| We hope you enjoy your visit to this forum. If you are reading this then it means you are currently browsing the forum as a guest, we don’t limit any of the content posted from guests however if you join, you will have the ability to join the discussions! We are always happy to see new faces at this forum and we would like to hear your opinion, so why not register now? It doesn’t take long and you can get posting right away. Click here to Register! If you are having difficulties validating your account please email us at admin@dbzf.co.uk If you're already a member please log in to your account: |
| Question for atheists and agnostics | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 22 2017, 10:15 PM (1,791 Views) | |
| + Ssj3vegito96 | Apr 22 2017, 10:15 PM Post #1 |
 
|
Do I have this right? An atheist pretty much flat out says there is no God period. Agnostic is being open to the idea of a god provided some evidence. Agnostics don't necessarily believe or not believe in God. They just don't know what to think If I have that right, how can an atheist just flat out say there is no God. And that's it. Like they pretty much think they know for a fact and theyre totally against the idea of a god. They think they know that there is no such thing as a perfect being with infinite knowledge but then they go and put themselves at that level of perfection(infinite knowledge) and firmly state there is no God like it's a fact. It just doesn't make sense and sounds hypocritical to me. And if an atheist responds to this by saying "no I'm not saying I know there is no God" well then ok but you'd obviously be open to it provided evidence right? Well then what's the difference between the atheist and agnostic? Is there really much of a difference? Not trying to offend anyone. Sorry if I did. I'm just no expert on atheism and agnosticism so I'm curious Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Apr 22 2017, 10:20 PM.
|
IT'S CHEESE Spoiler: click to toggle
| |
 |
 
|
| Tinny | Apr 22 2017, 10:52 PM Post #2 |
 
|
As far as I know, there are two types of agnostics, atheistic agnostics (who aren't sure but are leaning towards not) and religious agnostics (who aren't sure but are leaning towards yes). All agnostic means is that you aren't sure and are conflicted about which it is. And as for why someone would specifically say that, ask yourself why someone would flat out say there is a god, and that's it. That they know for a fact and they're totally against the idea of there not being a god. That despite there only being one perfect being with infinite knowledge, they then put themselves at that level of perfection and state there is a god like a fact. iirc, you're religious, and I'm pretty sure it's not like that for you. You simply believe in god, there's no stated belief that you're putting yourself there, you just have your experiences, and that have convinced you that god is real. The same goes with atheists, but in the opposite direction, some get more passionate and declaratory than others but that goes for both sides of the isle. Agonists are specifically unsure and conflicted. They are actively uncertain. But those who are pretty sure are then atheist, or religious. And I think apathetic people who haven't even thought about this just aren't included in these categories. Also as for why anyone would be specifically atheist, I would like to type out this from Murray v. Curlett.
This is a big part about atheist morality. Edited by Tinny, Apr 22 2017, 11:00 PM.
|
 Above signature created by Graffiti 
| |
|
|
| * Yu Narukami | Apr 22 2017, 11:09 PM Post #3 |
Izanagi!
|
Atheism, in its most basic form, is just a lack of belief in a deity. It's not the outright rejection of the potential existence of one, it's simply evaluating the evidence (or lack thereof) and arriving at the conclusion that nothing supports the idea. New, decisive evidence would lead most atheists changing their mind. There are some, obviously, that will outright reject the idea of a god, as 'Atheism' is an incredibly broad term that can be used to describe any kind of non-belief in a deity. However, if we're talking about it in general, then it isn't really that stiff. |
|
|
|
| + Ssj3vegito96 | Apr 22 2017, 11:45 PM Post #4 |
|
So if I'm understanding correctly, an atheist doesn't necessarily flat out deny the existence of God, they just don't believe in it but they are still open to it. An agnostic doesn't have belief or disbelief in a god they just don't know what to think and so they're open to a god existing Is there really that big of a difference? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Apr 22 2017, 11:46 PM.
|
|
IT'S CHEESE Spoiler: click to toggle
| |
|
|
|
| * Yu Narukami | Apr 22 2017, 11:56 PM Post #5 |
|
Izanagi!
|
The difference is how they feel in the moment and their belief in general. An Atheist doesn't believe in a God, but is open to the possibility of a God existing. An Agnostic doesn't is on the fence, not knowing whether they believe in a God or not, and are open to a God existing. |
|
|
|
| + Ssj3vegito96 | Apr 22 2017, 11:58 PM Post #6 |
|
So why would an atheist believe there is no God? Aside from work ethic beliefs like the example tinny gave |
|
IT'S CHEESE Spoiler: click to toggle
| |
|
|
|
| * Yu Narukami | Apr 23 2017, 12:02 AM Post #7 |
|
Izanagi!
|
Lack of evidence, for one. An Atheist would just look at the evidence, or lack of it, for God and arrive at the conclusion that nothing supports the existence of any form of God. |
|
|
|
| + Ssj3vegito96 | Apr 23 2017, 12:05 AM Post #8 |
|
But they still don't know for sure and they accept that there may still be a god right? |
|
IT'S CHEESE Spoiler: click to toggle
| |
|
|
|
| * Yu Narukami | Apr 23 2017, 12:06 AM Post #9 |
|
Izanagi!
|
Indeed. In general, it's just the position that somebody doesn't believe in God, but are open to the idea of one existing. |
|
|
|
| + Steve | Apr 23 2017, 12:20 AM Post #10 |
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
|
I thought true atheists flat out refuse the possibility of God? I'm pretty sure it doesn't incorporate being open to the possibility, I thought that was more along the lines of Agnosticism? A lot of atheists are pretty stubborn and refuse to accept the possibility anyway. Or maybe there's another name for that but I'm pretty sure atheist and believer are complete opposite ends of the scale with agnostics being somewhere in the middle. In any case I've never seen a benefit to restricting yourself to a belief, having an open mind lets you accept all possibilities and people from all walks of life. Can't see how that's a bad thing. Not to mention you don't have to live in fear of being condemned to hell over something so normal as sex before marriage. You're free to have a set of morals that don't harm anyone. I honestly can't envision a scenario where being faithful to a religion would really feel better, other than if a God did reveal itself and of course true devouts would be the only ones going on to heaven. I'd rather believe in myself and what we as a people can accomplish, despite being a cynical bastard. |
 Definitely not a succubus, fear not | |
|
|
|
| Daemon Keido | Apr 23 2017, 12:31 AM Post #11 |
Warmaster of Chaos
|
Like in most things in religion, the line drawn is dependant on where one WANTS to draw it. What does Atheism mean to you? What does it mean to another (Say, Tinny)? Where can you both agree is a middle ground, if such a thing is neccessary? |
A Shadow is merely Darkness in the presence of Light Thanks Kid Buu for this awesome sig! The Emperor Protects | |
|
|
|
| Rockman | Apr 23 2017, 12:42 AM Post #12 |
hoighty-toighty
|
Likewise, how is a Christian so sure that the God that they follow is the correct one? Or Religion for that matter? If Atheists are hypocritical for saying there is no God, theists are equally as guilty for believing that their path is correct over another. The answer to your question is much more complex than you're trying to categorize it. Much like there are different perspectives of what it means to be Christian, there are different perspectives in what it means not to believe. |
 JAke is a copyright of Spazo and Pickle Flavored Fudge Pops inc. | |
|
|
|
| + Steve | Apr 23 2017, 12:54 AM Post #13 |
|
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
|
I actually got the two current religion topics mixed up in my post  but anywayWell I was sure atheism was the refusal of the existence and/or possibility of God, basically a flat no where Agnosticism is a maybe, a maybe that leans on either "Probably" or "But probably not" side of it depending on what you attach to it. The specifics are fluid of course. Personally I don't feel we have much business trying to decide what God wants if it is a thing, feels like a lot of wasted time...and lives if you consider all the war. I'm somewhere around the middle there, I guess. Although it should probably be considered more of a grid than a straight line. Edited by Steve, Apr 23 2017, 12:59 AM.
|
|
Definitely not a succubus, fear not | |
|
|
|
| + Son-Goku | Apr 23 2017, 01:38 AM Post #14 |
孫悟空
|
I'm not sure how someone can flat out say that there's no higher being or anything. Doesn't seem very logical to me considering how perfect everything really is. Like how perfect gravity is, how perfect distance we are from the sun, how our bodies function. Coincidence is not a logical outcome at all. Some scientists say that DNA (lol typed DBZ first) is so complex in it's design that it has to have a designer. Anyways, I'm not trying to say what other people believe. I know there are some people that believe in no higher being, but I agree I don't know how someone can say that it's all an accident or coincidence. Not trying to offend anyone, if I did I apologize. |
 RP Character Bios Dragon Ball Super: The Super Human Dragon Ball Super: Preparation for the Tournament of Power | |
|
|
|
| Tinny | Apr 23 2017, 04:01 AM Post #15 |
|
We also eat using the same hole we breath through, there is so much on this planet that seems needlessly cruel to be designed as such and allowed to happen. When I eat food there's a chance I will choke and die and I've come face got face with this more than a few times when even some water, which I need to live, goes down the wrong pipe. Sun rays which we need can give us skin disease and venturing too far out of the planet can subject us to radiation and cancer. Pregnancy has a very real chance of causing death to women, as well as immense pain. Our spine is a mess that will give us back problems, so many people have birth defects of all kinds from a hunched back to parkinson's. How is any of this perfect? And going from that, one could, and some have, aegued that any God that would make this and be all powerful is not only not good, but either incompetent or evil and unworthy of worship in either case. Not my opinion but it is one gels and is why I feel that the idea that we're perfect is not very valid one on closer inspection. Edited by Tinny, Apr 23 2017, 04:01 AM.
|
|
Above signature created by Graffiti
| |
|
|
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
| Go to Next Page | |
| « Previous Topic · Deep Discussion · Next Topic » |
| Track Topic · E-mail Topic |
 4:57 PM Jul 13
|
Theme Designed by McKee91
Powered by ZetaBoards Premium · Privacy Policy