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Is Tagoma stronger than Ultimate Gohan?
Topic Started: Apr 12 2017, 07:03 PM (1,845 Views)
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I keep seeing people throw around the idea that Tagoma is stronger than Ultimate Gohan. At the very end of episode 21, Gohan says this while narrating the preview for episode 22.
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Gohan (narrating the NEP): “This Tagoma person is on a completely different level from the other soldiers. He’s hiding power at least on par with my own! No way... His power rose even higher?! What's that bizarre pose?!”
Significance: While hyping up the next episode, Gohan first describes Tagoma “hiding power at least on par with my own” (僕に勝るとも劣らない力を秘めています) and then goes on to say in shock that Tagoma’s power has gone even higher. It would seem then that this would have to make Tagoma at least a little bit stronger than Gohan. These Next Episode Previews always break the fourth wall, so arguably nothing said in them is “canon”, but this episode Tagoma did manage to fatally wound Gohan (or it would have been fatal, had Piccolo and Kuririn not intervened). It was a sneak attack, and Gohan certainly seems weaker than he used to be (“I can still become Super Saiyan…probably…”) but still, Tagoma definitely seems up there now.

Gohan also says this at the beginning of episode 22. I don't know how accurate this translation is, but it seems to line up with what people are citing as evidence that Tagoma is stronger than Ultimate Gohan.
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Gohan: "I'm sure he's hiding power comparable to what I have when at my best."

I think people are extracting things from this that aren't really implied. If Gohan is supposed to be weaker, as is implied several times, it wouldn't make much sense for Tagoma to be stronger than Ultimate Gohan when we see Super Saiyan Gohan take Tagoma out in 2 hits. Even if Super Saiyan was being used as a catalyst for Gohan's ultimate power, Tagoma was still taken down in 2 blows, so he's still certainly Ultimate Gohan's lesser. So, if Tagoma is weaker than Ultimate Gohan, what did Gohan mean when he said he was hiding power comparable to his at his best? Well, Gohan could easily mean his best as he currently is, and since Gohan was unsure of whether or not he could even turn Super Saiyan, it's highly likely he's referring to the best his current base self could offer, and that certainly seems to line up with what we see.

TL;DR: No.
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Yeah it doesn't make sense. It would mean ssj gohan>mystic gohan but gohan is said to be weaker after not training for a while

Maybe gohan is weaker but he just uses ssj to compensate for the power he's lost?

And here's another thing...

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Kuririn: “Goku and Vegeta aren't here yet? Well, I guess that's all right, we've got Boo, and...Huh? Where's Boo?”
Gohan: “You see... Apparently, once he falls asleep, he won't wake up for some time…Even if you shake, hit, or tickle him, nothing works...”

Isn't krillin implying buu is the next best thing after goku and vegeta? So buu should be stronger than gohan atm
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I wouldn't see that as an admission that Boo's stronger. Boo's nigh infinite stamina and magical abilities would be a great asset.
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Yeah Tagoma isn't touching ultimate Gohan. As far as I'm concerned, this Gohan is weaker than Cell Games Gohan, just like he was last time after neglecting to train. Tagoma is a bit stronger than base Gohan.

I prefer the movie where Tagoma just dies to make all of this less messy.
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Ultimate Gohan >~ Super Saiyan Gohan (RoF) >> Tagoma (Ginyu) > Tagoma (Normal) > Piccolo > Base Gohan (RoF)

That's how this chain is for me anyway.
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It's beyond obvious that ROF Gohan is complete trash compared to his prime.
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