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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 17 2017, 02:46 AM (3,077 Views) | |
| Darker | Mar 17 2017, 06:26 PM Post #16 |
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Prowler is hardly an unknown character.
...Neither Spawn or Venom are villains. Eddie may have been one, but that was like the shortest villainous career ever. And to my knowledge he's only brutally murdered one guy as Venom.
Well yeah, because these are comic book movies. It's kinda their thing to have stuff from comic books. 
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| + Steve | Mar 17 2017, 07:22 PM Post #17 |
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I guarantee you he is to the majority of people who'd be watching the movie.
I mean as in we need more darker comic book movies before a villain centric one would work all that well, anti-heroes like Deadpool and Punisher are one thing but the more villain-like or actual villains would be harder to pull off.
No I mean the audience, barely anyone who watches comic book movies is an avid comic book fan. Sales have obviously went up since the genre blew up in movies but it's not like every person who watches them has a huge collection of every comic. |
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| Darker | Mar 17 2017, 08:34 PM Post #18 |
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If you're a Spider-Man fan, you should probably know who he is. He did appear in one of the episodes from Spider-Man: The Animated Series after all.
...You do realize Punisher is a lot more villainous than those two, right? And again, Venom will probably only be a villain for like five minutes in his own movie, if they follow his origin well.
You say that like every piece of media based on a comic book has to aim at a general audience. Plenty of those are aimed towards the fans, if you don't get it, then just ask who the hell the guy in black and green is, or why there's a yellow Green Goblin wearing an orange hoody and cape. The movie will probably explain that anyway. It won't take a whole lot of exposition, especially for such a simple character as Prowler.
Sales seem to say otherwise actually, because the complete opposite is going on right now afaik. But this is getting off-topic. |
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| * Mitas | Mar 17 2017, 09:27 PM Post #19 |
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I've never heard of Prowler and I'm interested in comics a lot more than the average person (although I'm no die-hard). I think sometimes you overestimate how well-known certain comic book characters are because you're so well-versed. |
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| Darker | Mar 17 2017, 09:59 PM Post #20 |
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I really don't, Prowler is one of the more well known characters related to Spidey, mainly because of how Prowler changed from his criminal ways into more of an anti-hero thanks to Spider-Man himself. He didn't have much of an impact but his stories were well-written and he's remembered for them. You've probably never heard of him because he's a rather old character. But again, this is getting side-tracked and you guys are ignoring the point of this argument. I suggested Prowler or ANYONE else. There are plenty of Marvel characters Sony still holds the rights for, and a good bunch of them are Spidey-related characters. It's not just Prowler, but other vigilantes such as Shroud (to an extent) and Moon Knight could be introduced, and they're simple enough that they don't need to suck a lot of the movie's runtime or screentime from the MC, Venom. |
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| + Steve | Mar 17 2017, 10:32 PM Post #21 |
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But he's an old character so therefore he's not really well known to people who don't really follow Spider-Man closely? I vaguely recognize him from the cartoon and I watched that pretty much every day, doubt many people have vivid memories of him in it and then there's probably many more people who never watched the cartoon at all. I don't think they could really pull off introducing many relatively unknown characters in one movie, more obscure characters work with Netflix since they have a whole show to develop them. A Venom movie would either have to juggle many things or flat out ignore them and be like "Venom is there doing stuff already so what" Which I guess could be kind of refreshing since origin movies have got kinda tiresome. Spider-Man related movies don't have a stellar track record though. |
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| lazerbem | Mar 18 2017, 12:36 PM Post #22 |
 
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I've heard rumors that the movie Life will be a kind of prequel to Venom. It does seem rather fitting, especially given 1:49, where you see a black and tentacled goo thing attaching to the escape pod. I don't know, just a thought that it could be in vein of Prometheus. |
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| + Steve | Mar 18 2017, 01:02 PM Post #23 |
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That would actually be really cool but can't see it happening. Unless Venom is literally going to be an evil symbiote thing and not an actual character in the movie. I guess they could work Carnage in to it that way. Two very different people get the stuff bonded to them one leads to Carnage the other Venom. I'd be well up for Sony making their own universe sort of thing...can't see it though. |
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| * Mitas | Mar 18 2017, 01:15 PM Post #24 |
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Isn't that what Venom is? The suit/Symbiote? It just attaches itself to whoever the character is going to be in the movie. But yeah, I don't really see that being the case without them announcing it. Unless they thought less people would be interested in it if they knew it was comic book-related. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Mar 18 2017, 02:23 PM Post #25 |
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I just don't understand separating this from the MCU. Because of the deal with Sony and Marvel I imagine they wouldn't be able to make a new Spiderman in this Venom spinoff so he'd probably have to skip him entirely. Venom's backstory is inherently tied to Spiderman so that's a big change. Then you have to consider the roster of Spiderman characters they'll have to use, I imagine this is where we'd see Carnage and all other symbiote related characters would go. Which then removes some good potential stories for future Spiderman movies. It's just such an odd move. |
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| Darker | Mar 18 2017, 02:27 PM Post #26 |
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There's been three of them, you don't really need to follow Spider-Man that closely, for crimeny.
I repeat. Introduce ONE vigilante that can replace Spider-Man in Eddie's tragic origin. It's that easy. Moon Knight would be interesting to see cause aside from the four-personality part, his public identity could work as a Bruce Wayne type character. It wouldn't surprise me if the symbiote and Brock held grudge on both Marc Spector and Moon Knight ala "The symbiote/Brock hates Parker and Spidey" which was something the cartoons implemented and (imo) improved upon the comics.
We can have that all while the movie tells us his origin, ala Man of Steel, though with a better order for the flashbacks.
Trust me, Brock's origin is a bit more unique. And no, before you take the cartoon or SM3 as a reference, Eddie never worked for the Bugle.
No, Venom is the character, the symbiote is just that, the symbiote.
They can easily make a Venom movie without any ties with Spider-Man. Edited by Darker, Mar 18 2017, 02:29 PM.
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| + Steve | Mar 18 2017, 04:15 PM Post #27 |
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Yeah but here lies they problem. They have to do the origins for both Venom and any other characters that feature, which will most likely be relatively unknown characters. All while still making a good movie. Juggling origins and a well developed rival doesn't really tend to go well, look how much better Doc Ock was in Spider-Man 2 compared to Green Goblin. Spider-Man was already developed so Doc had much more screen time to become a great character. And that's with Spider-Man, one of the most popular comic book characters there is. This Venom movie would have to work much the same way only it's the stereotypically good guy that gets 5 minutes of origin and is likely under-developed and meh like basically every MCU villain. It's hard to imagine it working without being connected to an established universe and characters. If their plan is to build their own comic universe of more obscure Marvel characters Venom seems an odd place to start. Cool idea anyway just hard to trust Sony to execute it well or rather hard to believe people will accept it. Personally I enjoyed the TASM verse a lot and hoped it would continue but generally people don't have a favourable outlook on Sony movies, so if they were to make their own Marvel universe it would require fan support that isn't there and/or being great enough to sway people. |
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| Darker | Mar 18 2017, 04:40 PM Post #28 |
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There is no need to tell us the origin of the guy replacing Spider-Man.
Both Gobby and Otto were done really well in both movies, to the point where most Spider-Man fans call those two some of the best interpretations for both characters. Dafoe and Molina managed to do this without the same amount of screen-time as some of the cartoon versions. Moon Knight being quickly introduced alongside Marc Spector, alongside Venom's origin and the creation of Carnage is something they could do in like 15-20 minutes.
Again, literally no need to connect Venom with Spider-Man or anything else. It's super easy. It disappoints us fans, sure, because Venom meant a lot for Spidey's series and left quite the impact, but he's had his own series and worked really well on his own, battling other heroes and bad guys without the need of Spider-Man getting in the way.
Yes, Venom, one of the most popular supervillains of all time, is an odd place to start.
Sony didn't f*** up Spider-Man 2 which ended up being one of the greatest superhero movies ever made. They need to get the right people and the producers don't need to screw it up again. It's only happened twice and I'm sure (I hope anyway) that they've learned their lesson. |
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| Darker | May 20 2017, 12:41 AM Post #29 |
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http://comicbook.com/2017/05/19/tom-hardy-cast-as-venom-in-spider-man-spinoff-movie/?utm_source=Comicbook.com&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=170519_141512_Comicbook.com%20Daily%20Newsletter&utm_content=Image Well, well... It appears Bane is going to be using a different kind of Venom this time... 
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| Darker | Jun 22 2017, 04:48 AM Post #30 |
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Guess who's been finally confirmed as the main villain? http://movieweb.com/venom-movie-carnage-villain-spider-man-spinoff/  Aaaand: http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/venom-gets-another-symbiote-character-comics Lady Venom might become a thing aswell. Edited by Darker, Jul 11 2017, 10:24 PM.
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