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This is probably why Toriyama "forgot" about Lunch...
Topic Started: Mar 16 2017, 02:01 PM (839 Views)
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/10/13/male-and-female-fans-name-the-same-gender-anime-character-they-find-most-annoying

...Like damn, she's the only Dragon Ball character on this poll. Not even Mr. Satan or the likes made it.

I'm surprised she even made it when she had such a small role.
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on the female to female thing, I have to question why Homura, Saber, 3 of the K-on cast, and Haruhi are doing there.

Meanwhile on male on male you have Toriko, Keima Katsuragi, Light Yagami, Dio Brando, Simon from TTGL, and Lelouch.

I wouldn't take much of this into account, considering Homura, Saber, and Haruhi are all extremely popular in general, as well as Light Yagami and Dio Brando almost (especially the latter) being more famous than the product they came from.


As for why, I do recall it being said that Lunch was mostly there for Roshi to perv on and get punished for, like when he tries to get her in lingerie, and then blond Lunch comes out and shoots him for it. So when that became less part of the plot, so too did Lunch's roll diminish. That and Toriyama has forgotten far more important characters like Tao.
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Mar 16 2017, 02:37 PM
That and Toriyama has forgotten far more important characters like Tao.


I don't think he was forgotten as much as there was no need to have him show up anywhere else.
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Mar 16 2017, 03:27 PM
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That and Toriyama has forgotten far more important characters like Tao.


I don't think he was forgotten as much as there was no need to have him show up anywhere else.
http://www.thegrandline.com/odainterview.html

This part in particular
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Oda: To tell the truth, I never read Arale chan. (Note: Although Dr. Slump is the name of the manga, many Japanese people refer to it as "Arale chan") How I first encountered Toriyama sensei's manga was the second episode of Dragon Ball, regardless [of when it was] I fell in love at first sight. I thought, "He's too good!" At that time, I loved Disney, but I was thinking, "This is even better than Disney stuff!" Do you remember that character named Ranfan from the [21st] Tenkaichi Budokai?

Toriyama: Oh yeah, she was there!

Oda: It feels kind of weird to ask if you remember, but it seems as though you have forgotten a good amount of characters... (laugh) Anyway, you know how Ranfan took her clothes off, right? Her armpits during that scene were really drawn well. I thought that you were the first person to accurately draw someone's armpit that well. Back then, I always drew people's armpits. Those, and Taopaipai's hands.

Toriyama: Taopaipai...? You're getting to some of the less important charactrers.

Oda: What!? Taopaipai is a HUGE major character!

Toriyama: The guy with the braid?

Oda: Yeah yeah. The assassin. The guy that throws a pillar into the sky and rides it himself.

Toriyama: Oh yeah, I did draw that didn't I.

He totally forgot who Tao was.
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That doesn't really sound like he forgot Tao PaiPai to me. It sounds like he questioned the interviewer's claim that Tao was a "HUGE major character", when he most definitely was not. Tao Pai Pai was only the main focus of the manga for about 5 chapters (and then a minor focus in the 23rd Budoaki). He's not even a major character, much less a huge one.

So when Toriyama says "The one with the braid?" he clearly remembered Tao, but seems to be confused as to why the interviewer would call him a major character.

Even if that's not the case, calling Tao a huge major character is dumb.
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I was just going to say... As major as Tao felt, he wasn't all that relevant to the plot, even to the actual arc he was part of. Toriyama there clearly didn't forget him, otherwise he would've most likely asked who he was.

It's not like Launch who was simply used for the sake of gags, Tao was a villain arguably responsible for changing the series to a very noticeable darker tone. I'm sure even a writer like Toriyama would remember him.
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Lmao of course orihime from bleach is number one

Anyway well at least launch was pretty low on the list
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That doesn't really sound like he forgot Tao PaiPai to me. It sounds like he questioned the interviewer's claim that Tao was a "HUGE major character", when he most definitely was not. Tao Pai Pai was only the main focus of the manga for about 5 chapters (and then a minor focus in the 23rd Budoaki). He's not even a major character, much less a huge one.

So when Toriyama says "The one with the braid?" he clearly remembered Tao, but seems to be confused as to why the interviewer would call him a major character.

Even if that's not the case, calling Tao a huge major character is dumb.
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Q: Let us begin, Oda sensei, please explain how you feel about Toriyama sensei?


Oda: Of course, he's god! He is in an entirely different dimension. All in all, he's just too good at drawing!

Toriyama: This is kinda an awkward position... (LAUGH)

Oda: To tell the truth, I never read Arale chan. (Note: Although Dr. Slump is the name of the manga, many Japanese people refer to it as "Arale chan") How I first encountered Toriyama sensei's manga was the second episode of Dragon Ball, regardless [of when it was] I fell in love at first sight. I thought, "He's too good!" At that time, I loved Disney, but I was thinking, "This is even better than Disney stuff!" Do you remember that character named Ranfan from the [21st] Tenkaichi Budokai?

Toriyama: Oh yeah, she was there!

Oda: It feels kind of weird to ask if you remember, but it seems as though you have forgotten a good amount of characters... (laugh) Anyway, you know how Ranfan took her clothes off, right? Her armpits during that scene were really drawn well. I thought that you were the first person to accurately draw someone's armpit that well. Back then, I always drew people's armpits. Those, and Taopaipai's hands.

Toriyama: Taopaipai...? You're getting to some of the less important charactrers.

Oda: What!? Taopaipai is a HUGE major character!

Toriyama: The guy with the braid?

Oda: Yeah yeah. The assassin. The guy that throws a pillar into the sky and rides it himself.

Toriyama: Oh yeah, I did draw that didn't I.

Oda: When he posed his hands were so well drawn. During that time, the only thing I drew were hands. Those two things were what shocked me the most in Dragon Ball... armpits and hands.


This is the entire interview leading up to the discussion about Tao, unless I'm missing something at no point did anyone describe Tao as huge until Toriyama said "you're getting to some of the less important characters," which suggests that he barely remembers Tao, except foggily, and assumed it wasn't a very important character because he'd remember.

At least in the context there it seems clear that Toriyama did forget, considering the first time he's brought up was with Oda learning to draw, mentioning Tao's hands, and Toriyama responding that must be one of the less important characters. At no point did anyone describe him as an important character until Toriyama said that Oda must be talking about someone unimportant.

And He didn't completely forget, but he does clearly not have that much of a recollection of him, and his words are on the level a newbie or someone who once read Dragon Ball a long time ago. Basically Toriyama has forgotten (or barely remembers) far more important characters than Lunch.
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But you're reading more into his words than are actually given. 'Less important' could easily mean anyone outside of the core good and bad characters. We never get a chance to see what Toriyama meant by 'less important' before the other guy pops in with a 'OMG WHAT HE WAS HUGE', which he quite clearly wasn't.
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In that case I have to ask why Toriyama is saying Tao is less important when the only thing said in regards to him was "I drew armpits and Tao's hands."

"Taopaipai...? You're getting to some of the less important charactrers."
I mean... What exactly is this supposed to mean if not that Toriyama isn't sure who Oda is referring to? Again maybe I'm missing something but I'd like to know what the alternative to my interpretation is.

Especially this back and forth
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Oda: It feels kind of weird to ask if you remember, but it seems as though you have forgotten a good amount of characters... (laugh) Anyway, you know how Ranfan took her clothes off, right? Her armpits during that scene were really drawn well. I thought that you were the first person to accurately draw someone's armpit that well. Back then, I always drew people's armpits. Those, and Taopaipai's hands.

Toriyama: Taopaipai...? You're getting to some of the less important charactrers.

Oda: What!? Taopaipai is a HUGE major character!

Toriyama: The guy with the braid?

Oda: Yeah yeah. The assassin. The guy that throws a pillar into the sky and rides it himself.

Toriyama: Oh yeah, I did draw that didn't I.

What is Toriyama saying here?


Also Oda is the author for One Piece and the interview is from the One Piece artbook, Color Walk 1. Just saying so no one thinks he's the interviewer or something.
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Yeah, I saw that. I don't read One Piece though and forgot his name when writing the post.

Well, this:

"Taopaipai...? You're getting to some of the less important charactrers."

Doesn't even infer that AT forgot who Tao was. For all we know it went 'Taopaipai (internal:oh yeah, that guy)...You're getting to the less important characters now'.

'He was huge'

'The guy with the braid?' (internal: I don't remember him being huge).

That's an alternative explanation.
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Toriyama just has awful memory, but I think that was recalling that specific scene more than the relevance of Tao.
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Mar 16 2017, 04:46 PM
Yeah, I saw that. I don't read One Piece though and forgot his name when writing the post.

Well, this:

"Taopaipai...? You're getting to some of the less important charactrers."

Doesn't even infer that AT forgot who Tao was. For all we know it went 'Taopaipai (internal:oh yeah, that guy)...You're getting to the less important characters now'.

'He was huge'

'The guy with the braid?' (internal: I don't remember him being huge).

That's an alternative explanation.
You added in your own parts and excluded others.

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Toriyama: The guy with the braid?

Oda: Yeah yeah. The assassin. The guy that throws a pillar into the sky and rides it himself.

Toriyama: Oh yeah, I did draw that didn't I.


Especially that, there's a possibility that what your saying is correct but it feels like you had to jump through a few hoops to get there, assuming internal monologue, leaving out him saying "I did draw that didn't ," changing Oda's dialogue.

It's an alternative explanation, but it's also a relatively complex and incomplete explanation.

The simplest belief was that Toriyama just didn't remember him all that well. No more no less. I see no reason for Toriyama to either pretend or speak in such a strange way if that was the case, heck later on he shows difficulty in remembering other things like this.

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Oda: True, it is a completely different matter when you have to make it move it around. That reminds me, you know how in Dragon Ball, the Pilaf crew was aboard a mecha that combined, right?

Toriyama: ????

Oda: They were. I was so happy that the three mechas combined into one! I was like, "Amazing!" And, when only two combine, it turned into an ostrich form. (Note: They do this again in the first episode of Dragon Ball GT)

Toriyama: Oh? It was for transportation?

Oda: Yeah.

Toriyama: A robot?

Oda: Yeah.

Toriyama: Oh... I think I did draw something like that. (Note: Greg falls over *GAN!*)

Oda: You even thought about its transformations.

Toriyama: I thought that far ahead...?

Oda: Yes, you did think that far ahead. (laugh)


Or this

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Q: Of all your illustrations that you can remember, what do you think were your favorites?


Toriyama: My favorite piece of artwork?

Oda: I know. Toriyama-sensei probably doesn't remember... but I remember seeing a comment of his on that.

Toriyama: Really?

Oda: You mentioned something of the sort in some interview. (Note:This interview was the Toriyama interview from Daizenshyuu 1)

Toriyama: This one? (points at the illustration)

Oda: Absolutely. (laugh) You said that it was the only one you liked.... I was thinking, "Well what about all the others?"

Toriyama: That's right, yeah, yeah, I said it, I did say that this was my favorite! But actually, looking at it now, I wonder why I chose this one.

Oda: (Big Laugh)

Toriyama: Maybe I liked it because the green-yellow in the background was so pretty?

Oda: Well in your comments from back then, you said that you really liked the overall balance of the mecha.

Toriyama: I guess I had thought at the time that it went together really well?

Oda: If the actual artist doesn't know, nobody knows. (laugh)


I don't think it's out of the question that Toriyama had difficulty recalling who Tao was. How much he forgot I can't say for certain, but it's clear, at least to me, that he had trouble remembering him.
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Nothing in that interview infers that Toriyama forgot Taopaipai at all.

Although, he may have questioned himself when Oda proclaimed that Tao was a major character... hence: "The guy with the braid?" seeming more like a "Really? That guy? Are we thinking of the same character?"

Toriyama simply considered Taopaipai minor in the grand scheme of things.


...not to say he isn't a forgetful guy... he certainly is... though his memory lapses should be forgivable if you consider trying to remember the specifics of a certain month in your life 20+ years ago... but on this particular occasion I think he recalled him just fine (though obviously not his entire biography... as shown with the pillar info).
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Yeah, I saw that. I don't read One Piece though and forgot his name when writing the post.

Well, this:

"Taopaipai...? You're getting to some of the less important charactrers."

Doesn't even infer that AT forgot who Tao was. For all we know it went 'Taopaipai (internal:oh yeah, that guy)...You're getting to the less important characters now'.

'He was huge'

'The guy with the braid?' (internal: I don't remember him being huge).

That's an alternative explanation.
You added in your own parts and excluded others.

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Toriyama: The guy with the braid?

Oda: Yeah yeah. The assassin. The guy that throws a pillar into the sky and rides it himself.

Toriyama: Oh yeah, I did draw that didn't I.


Especially that, there's a possibility that what your saying is correct but it feels like you had to jump through a few hoops to get there, assuming internal monologue, leaving out him saying "I did draw that didn't ," changing Oda's dialogue.

It's an alternative explanation, but it's also a relatively complex and incomplete explanation.

The simplest belief was that Toriyama just didn't remember him all that well. No more no less. I see no reason for Toriyama to either pretend or speak in such a strange way if that was the case, heck later on he shows difficulty in remembering other things like this.
I didn't include the last part because that was referring to a particular scene, and not the character himself, which I didn't think was relevant to the discussion.

Also, yes, I added parts, but that's because I was giving an example of an alternative thought process. You are also adding your own parts by assuming what AT meant by 'less important' and assuming that he forgot him. I was just showing how that exchange could be interpreted in different ways.
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