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| * Yu Narukami | Mar 10 2017, 05:46 PM Post #46 | |
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Out of curiosity, do you have any evidence at all that a 'great many people' would be comfortable doing that? Seems to me that you're making quite a lot of assumptions about that group. |
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| Tinny | Mar 10 2017, 06:05 PM Post #47 | |
 
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I had assumed you read and were responding to the topic OP. My mistake then. 250 is about the maximum of people we can meaningfully have any sort of relationship with.
The number of people you can know generally 150, with a lower limit of 100 and an upper limit of 250. I haven't researched this idea specifically either but I'm willing to bet this includes friends, acquaintances, enemies, and possibly even people you know know through a television, like a preacher on tv, or Goku. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Mar 10 2017, 06:44 PM Post #48 | |
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| * Yu Narukami | Mar 10 2017, 08:31 PM Post #49 | |
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You don't think you're being at all disingenuous there? In what world would 'great many' mean just a thousand or two thousand when you're talking about the entirety of the human race? In that context, 'great many' is such a small, meaningless term. Let's just assume that a great many does include just a few thousand people...what does that tell you? Out of more than 7 billion people, a few thousand would press the button? There's no meaningful message there at all. I assume you'll argue that 'sizable' can only include a few thousand people by your terms too? And regarding laws as a deterrent, sure, they work, but they're not the be-all end-all. People have consciences, and empathy, for the most part, will act as a strong limiter on crime. To be honest, it just seems to me that you're being incredibly cynical about human beings, and you're letting that cynicism play a large part in your argument. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Mar 10 2017, 09:04 PM Post #50 | |
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| * Yu Narukami | Mar 10 2017, 09:13 PM Post #51 | |
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It's possible that people would say yes to save face, yeah, but there's no way to quantify that, so it's a complete unknown that doesn't really play any part in the discussion. And yes, I've no doubt that there are some people who would, despite the lack of empathy and consideration of other human beings that would require. |
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| Sam | Mar 11 2017, 03:06 AM Post #52 | |
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If it's somebody I know, then definitely not. If it were somebody completely at random... probably not. I just don't know if, after the fact that I pressed the button, I could live with myself. Wondering if it had been some doomed individual who I may have actually done a mercy or a well-loved person with other people depending on them to live. I'd never know. I think I could rationalize it if I knew it were someone sick or dying already without much if any chance of survival. But say, a mother of three? An important (sane) political figure? An innocent guy just going about his day? The money would mean nothing because the guilt would tear me apart.
It shocks me so many people didn't read this bit of the post  now we're talking risk assessment. A guy you saw at the gas station? Where's he from? You might hear about it if it happens nearby, depending on how he died, population of the town, etc. So many details. One million dollars?The OP specifically outlines those details. One million dollars. Decent enough chance that if it's not someone you know personally then it's probably someone at least local to you - you've come into physical or verbal contact with them at some point in your life. With that in mind, the chances of you hearing about their death would be substantially higher. If you learned someone died at approximately the same time you made this decision - and you know that you are a murderer as of that day in question - and as the OP said, it's someone you have had personal contact with in some way, how could you possibly still rationalize this decision?  You could purposely avert your gaze away from any potential sources of your blood money, but, it wouldn't necessarily be guaranteed to go unnoticed for your entire life. You think there would be zero curiosity, zero guilt whatsoever? Knowing it's someone you've had some personal contact with in some way? If it's a guy you walked by on the street, sure, he could be an out of towner that is dumping a dead body... but what the hell are the odds of that? If this person had any loved ones at all, your decision would have a ripple effect. For one million dollars of blood money. Sorry... if you're actually in this situation, I think the overwhelming majority of mentally stable adults under pressure would not take on this admittedly significant risk given what the OP said. I think it's critical to actually read all the details of the post. And one million dollars would go fast. The money will be gone, but you will still be a murderer. Of, realistically, someone you know or love in this scenario - or at least there is a good enough chance that you would hear about the highly coincidental timing of their death at some point. Yeah, no. If I'm gonna murder someone, it's not going to be with a button. And it's going to be for a damn better reason than $1 million. Especially if it could be someone I know or even love. OMG, if I may - and not to sound insulting - but you feel very strongly against the consumption of animal flesh, correct? How would murdering someone you've come into personal contact with be on a morally higher ground than not consuming animal products? Do you value human life significantly lower than that of animal life or are these certain parameters that were outlined disagreeable with the sum being offered if the button were to be pressed? I'm asking out of simple curiosity - not to judge you - and because you admitted to not reading the full details of the OP when you originally posted. This made a difference for some people who went back and read the post again. So I'd just like to clear that up. I can understand if you're deeply cynical towards our flawed species much more than others, which is why I'm making a simple inquiry that is by no means trying to make any implications towards you or your character, regardless of response. Edited by Sam, Mar 11 2017, 03:42 AM.
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| + Saiyan Paladin | Mar 11 2017, 03:37 AM Post #53 | |
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| Zorcman | Mar 11 2017, 05:08 AM Post #54 | |
 
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I'd press it over and over until I have well over 100 million dollars and a dozen hated enemies dead. | |
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| Dingo | Mar 11 2017, 08:07 AM Post #55 | |
 
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Welcome to dbzf! You're going to absolutely love it here! On topic: The only way I see myself pushing the button is if I desperately needed the money to save someone else's life. Now I'm putting a hypothetical in a hypothetical. |
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| Event Horizon | Mar 11 2017, 09:46 AM Post #56 | |
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I'd push it! By pushing it I'm helping Mother Earth against overpopulation. | |
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| Sam | Mar 11 2017, 12:00 PM Post #57 | |
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I'll admit, when I was first proposed this hypothetical years ago, in the more eclectic sense of: it'll be someone random, you will never know who; I cited this as my main reason and then asked if there was a 'genocide' button "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin |
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| Dingo | Mar 11 2017, 01:02 PM Post #58 | |
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1 man causing a genocide is more than a statistic! Omg. Reported to the feds. |
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Mar 12 2017, 05:50 AM Post #59 | |
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This will haunt you forever. Auto-play music removed. Sam Edited by DEY DID DIS 2 ME, Mar 12 2017, 11:32 AM.
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| + Sandy Shore | Mar 12 2017, 08:54 PM Post #60 | |
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