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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Mar 7 2017, 09:59 PM Post #1 |
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It's said to be the hardest metal in the universe. Hard and dense are synonyms and I know metal can be tough and lightweight but most of the time that's not how it works is it? So is it fair to just assume that it's a lightweight metal even if it's not noted to be? If it's not a tough but lightweight metal, like it's not noted to be, then that means a cube as big as the one that lifted one hand would be insanely heavy Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Mar 7 2017, 11:59 PM.
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| SSJ | Mar 7 2017, 10:18 PM Post #2 |
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Heavy enough that Piccolo and Tenshinhan couldn't bust through Gero's Gate, which is made of Katchin. |
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| + Emmeth | Mar 7 2017, 11:01 PM Post #3 |
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That's just not true. Gero wouldn't know about Katchin, there's no statement saying his gate was made of Katchin. Edited by Emmeth, Mar 7 2017, 11:01 PM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Mar 7 2017, 11:57 PM Post #4 |
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I wouldn't be surprised if gero knew about katchin but yeah idk where he got that from It would mean that the doors are heavy as hell though since they didn't go flying all over the place when vegeta's blast hit it |
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| SSJ | Mar 8 2017, 12:12 AM Post #5 |
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http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8913529&t=8439590 The serious answer is there's no answer. |
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| + Emmeth | Mar 8 2017, 11:09 AM Post #6 |
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I would actually like you to find that passage from the guidebook you read. |
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| Darker | Mar 8 2017, 11:55 AM Post #7 |
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For reference Neutron Stars are the densest objects in our universe. That doesn't automatically make it the hardest to break however, just the heaviest, though from what I've read (which I wouldn't say is enough and I'm still reading about it) it is very hard to break. The densest material on Earth is Osmium. In this PDF it says an Osmium cube that is 1,25 inches on each side weighs 719 g. Not even a kilo, though still a lot given how small the cube is, slightly above 3 cm on each side. This is a 1-inch sided cube, for example. ![]()
It really depends on the metal. It's not a matter of majority. Also hard and dense are very loose synonyms given what we're discussing here, plus adding scientific terms and all that jazz. In fact I'm not even sure if you're discussing density, weight or durability, cause while they may be associated with one another, they're not really the same thing.
I mean... ![]() That doesn't look very lightweight-ish. Especially because it's a friggin' cube. We've yet to see Katchin used for armors and stuff.
It should be pretty heavy, certainly above 40 tons.
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| + Clearin | Mar 8 2017, 03:36 PM Post #8 |
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Goku can easily lift it above his head with one hand. He couldn't do that with the Z-sword, so it doesn't seem all that heavy. |
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| Darker | Mar 8 2017, 04:03 PM Post #9 |
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I'm pretty sure the Z-sword is supposed to be incredibly heavy. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Mar 8 2017, 04:57 PM Post #10 |
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I think like darker said, it should be heavy considering its metal block that isn't specified to be lightweight. Goku's face and the way he shakes when he catches it I think is emphasizing the weight too. Toriyama definitely didn't intend it to be lightweight If ossium(densest metal) weighs 1410 pounds per sq foot and the katchin cube is what like 3 feet high? It should be 27 cubic feet. Which means it would weigh it weigh 38,000 pounds, or 19 tons. Katchin would be even heavier right? Maybe 25 tons? The fact that supreme Kai threw it at goku and he caught it means it probably felt more like idk 100 tons? So the z sword must weigh a lot Some people on other sites like to compare katchin to neutron star material which I don't understand. Katchin is said to be the hardest metal, not object in general. Stars are mostly made of gas aren't they? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Mar 8 2017, 05:11 PM.
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| Darker | Mar 8 2017, 05:58 PM Post #11 |
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Stars are normally made out of plasma if they're capable of fusion. Neutron stars are condensed, they're made out of quark matter or strange matter. But those aren't what make Neutron Stars so heavy, despite the fact that you can grab a spoonful of a neutron star that would weigh as much as several mountains, the condensed composition is what makes it so huge despite being so small. The Katchin cube probably weighs slightly more than what an Osmium cube of that size would weigh, but the margin doesn't need to be huge. Being a fictional material we can't exactly know how dense it is, just guess or assume, which could go to ridiculous proportions. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Mar 8 2017, 06:30 PM Post #12 |
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I think the fact that he was able to catch it, then hold it with one arm, then throw it, means goku could probably lift at least 100 tons |
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| Darker | Mar 8 2017, 06:49 PM Post #13 |
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I mean if he can hold it and throw it so easily and can still lift under 40 tons in base, I'd say it makes sense that the cube is anywhere near 10-30 tons heavy. He can easily lift above 100 tons with Super Saiyan though. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Mar 8 2017, 06:55 PM Post #14 |
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Ehh that's a little different. Goku's flying during the 40 tons scene so has no leverage. Those weights were attached to individual limbs so he couldn't use all his muscles to lift the 40 tons. And he had obviously been shadow boxing for a while In this scene goku has leverage and is able to use more of his body. He's using both shoulders, triceps, squatting strength, etc. Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Mar 8 2017, 07:03 PM.
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| Darker | Mar 8 2017, 07:48 PM Post #15 |
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Maybe? I dunno. And yeah that's a mistake on my part, I always confuse that scene with lifting when he's just wearing heavy weights, which he has done before. He used to wear 100kg-heavy clothing back when he fought in the 23rd WMAT. So maybe you can compare it to that in some way. As for the Katchin cube, who knows. For the sake of not stopping here, let's assume Katchin is twice as dense as Osmium (sounds like a comparison between my brother and I). |
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