Meet the new health care bill. Same as the old healthcare bill

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Meet the new health care bill. Same as the old healthcare bill
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Political Piper	Mar 7 2017, 06:39 PM Post #1
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	I'm doing this on my phone so I'll make this short. I knew this bill would be bad the moment the GOP began hiding it from conservative republicans like Rand Paul. I think the GOP needs to stop making baseless claims. They are not the Conservative party, and they sure as hell aren't the free market party http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/06/house-republicans-release-obamacare-replacement-bill.amp.html
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lazerbem	Mar 7 2017, 06:55 PM Post #2
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	It's like the big bad wolf huffing and puffing for an hour and then just sneezing. I mean it's a good thing that Trump doesn't come up with something stupid to replace it, but still. He could have improved it instead of just bluffing for PR
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Political Piper	Mar 7 2017, 07:08 PM Post #3
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	I agree lazerbem. This will make prices even go up more since they are still expanding Medicare to 2020 yet taking the away the mandate, which although is unconstitutional, in my opinion anyways, it reduced the prices because it meant more people had to sign up. Now there is like a type-of-mandate that insurance companies can institute. Rand Paul doesn't think this will get passed though, he thinks real conservatives won't like it and democrats won't either because they want to stay with the ACA. What we can pretty much guarentee if this does get passed, is that from now to 2020 prices will go up a lot do to Medicare expansion without the mandate.. After 2020 we will see how things are, but I don't feel too comfortable. Either way, it's debatable if this will pass the Senate and House..
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* Yu Narukami	Mar 7 2017, 07:30 PM Post #4
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	I think a few of the GOP Senators have already voiced strong opposition to it, though whether that'll translate to their voting behaviour is another story. If I've got it right, it's basically just a much worse version of Obamacare, right? For...what was it, 8 years, the GOP have been talking about repealing and replacing it, and this is what they come up with? I know Chaffetz responded that if people want to be able to afford healthcare, they'll have to forego buying the new iPhone, which is an absolutely shocking message, especially to the countries where healthcare is a right and is Universal.



Political Piper	Mar 7 2017, 10:03 PM Post #5
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Nagito Komaeda Mar 7 2017, 07:30 PM I think a few of the GOP Senators have already voiced strong opposition to it, though whether that'll translate to their voting behaviour is another story. If I've got it right, it's basically just a much worse version of Obamacare, right? For...what was it, 8 years, the GOP have been talking about repealing and replacing it, and this is what they come up with? I know Chaffetz responded that if people want to be able to afford healthcare, they'll have to forego buying the new iPhone, which is an absolutely shocking message, especially to the countries where healthcare is a right and is Universal. Essentially yes. Rand Paul called it Obamacare-light, essentially the same but enough of a spin so they can put their name behind; them behind Paul Ryan and other RINOs. I saw a video on Bloomberg earlier where they compared the two and there are a lot of similarities. The theory that the GOP just wants their name on healthcare reform seems to hold true. Which I really never disputed. The GOP preaches conservatism of smaller government, lower taxes, less spending, and the free market, yet when it comes down to it, they expand the size of government just as much as their colleagues on the other side of the aisle. I would be surprised if we see any tax cuts in 2017-18, and even if they do cut taxes they need to cut spending or the deficit will be insane. Increasing the military budget by 54 billion doesn't help, especially when we spend more on military than next 21 countries combined. I'm going on an anti-GOP rant if you guys haven't noticed. Just bare with me. I like to say that there is nothing "Federal" about the Federal Reserve, as they are a privately owned bank and not contorlled by our government. Well, there's nothing conservative about modern day republicans... There is a sad reality that the national debt is ignored at such a degree. The expanding debt is just as bad to the welfare of the people as the most hardcore climate change advocates feel about global warming, and it should be treated as such. I was disappointed to not hear either candidate talk about it that much during the campaign. We are in for a rude awakening if we don't cut our spending and starting combating our debt Edited by Political Piper, Mar 7 2017, 10:05 PM.
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Mihawk	Mar 7 2017, 10:50 PM Post #6
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	I agree with Political Piper, lol. Usually I don't but I do think the national debt in 10-20 years will be a serious issue if the spending stays the way it is (with no tax increases on top 1%). Currently it's not a major issue when you consider its ratio to the GDP. I don't agree with Paul Ryan being a RINO though. He's a traditional modern Republican. Rand Paul is a more of a realistic libertarian, something the Republican party has not been at all traditionally. Repealing Obamacare would expend a lot of political capital and would probably guarantee a loss in the Midterms. Nearly everyone likes it now except a small chunk of people who are bearing the brunt of the price increases. Red states have a higher enrollment rate than Blue states - they probably just hate that it came from the Obama/Democrats. The ideal way forward is single payer, but I think those plans have been thwarted for another 5 years at least.



+ Emmeth	Mar 7 2017, 11:04 PM Post #7
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	It's more than likely the basis of how the healthcare is gonna be like. It will probably go through 1 or 2 adjustments after this. Edited by Emmeth, Mar 7 2017, 11:04 PM.
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Political Piper	Mar 8 2017, 01:04 AM Post #8
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Mihawk Mar 7 2017, 10:50 PM I agree with Political Piper, lol. Usually I don't but I do think the national debt in 10-20 years will be a serious issue if the spending stays the way it is (with no tax increases on top 1%). Currently it's not a major issue when you consider its ratio to the GDP. I don't agree with Paul Ryan being a RINO though. He's a traditional modern Republican. Rand Paul is a more of a realistic libertarian, something the Republican party has not been at all traditionally. Repealing Obamacare would expend a lot of political capital and would probably guarantee a loss in the Midterms. Nearly everyone likes it now except a small chunk of people who are bearing the brunt of the price increases. Red states have a higher enrollment rate than Blue states - they probably just hate that it came from the Obama/Democrats. The ideal way forward is single payer, but I think those plans have been thwarted for another 5 years at least. You make it seem like agreeing with Political Piper is complete lunacy. I think the debt problem will be a lot sooner than 20 years. The more we spend the more we have to borrow from China, among others. What we can't borrow the Fed monotizes by printing money. Inflation is the worst tax of all and not many people know that it hurts the lower class the worst because they are the last ones to get it. Like buying a bag of coke from a dealer who got it from a dealer who got it from a dealer who got it from Sam. Your purity will be a lot lower than Sam's original. I bring that up because an increase of entitlements by simply printing money is worse for them in the end and increases the ever evolving wage gap, which was essentially Bernie's platform. I'd agree with with Rand being more of a libertarian, but I don't consider modern Republicans to be republicans, I consider them more moderates than traditional conservatives. I feel we should go back to the Eisenhower days, back to paleoconservatives instead of the neocons they are devolving into. I don't think Ryan is a neocon but I think he's a RINO. He's been speaker during Obama's biggest spending sprees. I still consider Republicans the old traditional ones, smaller government, low taxes, less spending. I don't see many republicans adhering to those principles, especially Ryan. It has become quite iconoclastic.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Mar 9 2017, 01:47 AM Post #9
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	I'd just like to say that I've lived in Massachusetts my entire life. We already had Romneycare starting in 2006 well before Obamacare was even a twinkle in Obama's eye, and Obamacare is essentially just Romneycare 2.0, give or take a few details. That being said, if Romney won the election in 2012, he would've implemented Romneycare. So either way, we all would've had virtually the same rules to live by for healthcare, regardless of who won the election.
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Political Piper	Mar 12 2017, 03:52 AM Post #10
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Nagito Komaeda Mar 7 2017, 07:30 PM I know Chaffetz responded that if people want to be able to afford healthcare, they'll have to forego buying the new iPhone, which is an absolutely shocking message, especially to the countries where healthcare is a right and is Universal. Obama has said similar also, more than once. Here's one video of him doing it. But I do agree that it was a poor statement for Chaffetz to make, he could have said it better. Spoiler: click to toggle
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Political Piper	Mar 14 2017, 12:14 AM Post #11
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	I'm going to double post since this is a little different. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has released a report on the effects Ryancare/Trumpcare/GOPcare/Non-conservativecare will have. Premiums will go up for the next 9 years than drop, national deficit will be cut in half, an extra 14 million people will lose insurance. Short video below Spoiler: click to toggle
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Daemon Keido	Mar 14 2017, 12:19 AM Post #12
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	If a single person needs to be removed from coverage, it is a bad plan. But I am speaking as a Canadian who sees such a choice as a stupid thing that should never be a cosideration no matter what, so that should be remembered.
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Political Piper	Mar 24 2017, 09:03 PM Post #13
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Trump pulled the healthcare bill. It was supposed to be voted on today. This was the smartest thing he could have done. Personally, I'd rather have it go to the floor and lose by a lot because then maybe Trump would see that Paul Ryan should not be in charge of making policy for the both of them. Either way, I'm very glad he pulled it.
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* Yu Narukami	Mar 24 2017, 09:05 PM Post #14
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Political Piper Mar 24 2017, 09:03 PM Trump pulled the healthcare bill. It was supposed to be voted on today. This was the smartest thing he could have done. Personally, I'd rather have it go to the floor and lose by a lot because then maybe Trump would see that Paul Ryan should not be in charge of making policy for the both of them. Either way, I'm very glad he pulled it. Does the President even have the power to pull a Bill? He's just trying to save face and basically put all the blame on the Democrats.



Daemon Keido	Apr 1 2017, 03:59 AM Post #15
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Yu Narukami Mar 24 2017, 09:05 PM Political Piper Mar 24 2017, 09:03 PM Trump pulled the healthcare bill. It was supposed to be voted on today. This was the smartest thing he could have done. Personally, I'd rather have it go to the floor and lose by a lot because then maybe Trump would see that Paul Ryan should not be in charge of making policy for the both of them. Either way, I'm very glad he pulled it. Does the President even have the power to pull a Bill? He's just trying to save face and basically put all the blame on the Democrats. Presumably the president's opinion would hold some kind of sway on the ruling section of the government who also share the same theorectical afilliation. This is a massively broad assumption though and requires one to assume the Republican party at large and Trump see eye to eye at all. And that is a suspect assumption.
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