Donald Trump Accuses Obama of 'wire-tapping' his office

Rotation Advertisements

We hope you enjoy your visit to this forum.

If you are reading this then it means you are currently browsing the forum as a guest, we don’t limit any of the content posted from guests however if you join, you will have the ability to join the discussions! We are always happy to see new faces at this forum and we would like to hear your opinion, so why not register now? It doesn’t take long and you can get posting right away.

Click here to Register!

If you are having difficulties validating your account please email us at admin@dbzf.co.uk

If you're already a member please log in to your account:

Pages:
1
2
3
4
5

Donald Trump Accuses Obama of 'wire-tapping' his office
Tweet Topic Started: Mar 4 2017, 12:35 PM (2,597 Views)
Political Piper	Mar 5 2017, 07:10 PM Post #46
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Ketchup, You've got one thing wrong about your post up above.. This, is not meth. No but seriously, the birther conspiracy was started in 2008 and revamped in 2012 by Trump. He didn't create he just brought it back. Ex-Governor and Presidential candidate Howard Dean (Heeyah!! if anyone remembers that?) just posted on Twitter that the FISA court issued the warrant to tap Trump's phone to catch terrorists.) Here Edited by Political Piper, Mar 5 2017, 07:12 PM.
	My Youtube Channel With More Political and Breaking News Videos FOOD FOR THOUGHT:


EMIYA	Mar 5 2017, 08:24 PM Post #47
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Dingo Mar 5 2017, 04:14 PM EMIYA Mar 4 2017, 02:40 PM Nagito Komaeda Mar 4 2017, 02:30 PM Wait, people are actually treating this as a possibility? I hope everyone realises that this is just an attempt to deflect from the pressure being put on Sessions and the rest of Trump's Cabinet and Staff. I doubt anyone (well those who have any lick of sense) is taking it seriously. As the article said, Trump just started tweeting it without any substantial evidence and we're not even sure where he got the information to begin with. I think that it's plausible. Might not have been Obama himself doing the spying but someone in the chain of command. A presidential tweet is good enough for me to accept that it's plausible. We'll know more soon. As Nagito has said, a tweet, much more a random one with zero backing to it means jack nothing here. He even states in one of them "Found nothing." and is going on a charade of random tweets with nothing to back it up. The most we can assume is that he got it from the articles like Brietbart which is a horrible place to get anything news worthy. This is exactly the kind of thing Trump does. He hears something randomly on television or the internet and like a child with a candy addiction, goes off and starts yapping on Twitter. And again, this isn't new. Remember when he made the remark about Sweden? He utterly exaggerated the issue there based on a Fox News video he saw. Experts had to come in clarify the issues that no, there is not some immigration issue causing problems in Sweden, that the quotes from officials were taken out of context and Sweden's Prime Minister even asked what Trump was smoking. So here we go again, Trumps yapping about something he knows nothing about, has little to no knowledge on and like the addict that he is, has to blatantly grab for attention no matter how foolish it might be.



+ Saiyan Paladin	Mar 5 2017, 11:31 PM Post #48
Posts: 1,920 Group: Elite Member Member #10,232 Joined: September 21, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai, Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Firefox, Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Berserk	lol, I really wouldn't be surprised if someone came out with legitimate evidence of most former presidents doing some sort of wire-tapping. Until there is evidence that there was wire-tapping, I won't believe it. Its just more hot air from Trump. Not that I am an Obama fan either way.



Political Piper	Mar 6 2017, 02:11 PM Post #49
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Paladin Mar 5 2017, 11:31 PM lol, I really wouldn't be surprised if someone came out with legitimate evidence of most former presidents doing some sort of wire-tapping. Until there is evidence that there was wire-tapping, I won't believe it. Its just more hot air from Trump. Not that I am an Obama fan either way. Again, I can pretty much guarantee Trump got his communications monitored, just like I can pretty much guarantee all US citizens have due to the NSA's computer monitoring. I don't believe, as of yet, Obama directed anyone during his Presidency to do it, however. But I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Remember, Obama did monitor the French President as well as German chancellor. If he willingly hacked and spied on the leaders of our allies who he gets along with, I don't find it implausible that he monitored an individual he didn't get along with; an individual he thought was dangerous and unfit - his words. But I believe in evidence before making a claim. So no, as of now I can't say Obama directed it. But it's possible that he could have of, remember, he and many others never thought Trump would win. So maybe he felt safe that his actions would never be discovered? That's just speculation of course. He's innocent until proven guilty. So I will stand by everyone and say Trump needs to show proof or else I can't believe it.
	My Youtube Channel With More Political and Breaking News Videos FOOD FOR THOUGHT:


Daemon Keido	Mar 6 2017, 04:13 PM Post #50
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Political Piper Mar 6 2017, 02:11 PM Paladin Mar 5 2017, 11:31 PM lol, I really wouldn't be surprised if someone came out with legitimate evidence of most former presidents doing some sort of wire-tapping. Until there is evidence that there was wire-tapping, I won't believe it. Its just more hot air from Trump. Not that I am an Obama fan either way. Again, I can pretty much guarantee Trump got his communications monitored, just like I can pretty much guarantee all US citizens have due to the NSA's computer monitoring. I don't believe, as of yet, Obama directed anyone during his Presidency to do it, however. But I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Remember, Obama did monitor the French President as well as German chancellor. If he willingly hacked and spied on the leaders of our allies who he gets along with, I don't find it implausible that he monitored an individual he didn't get along with; an individual he thought was dangerous and unfit - his words. But I believe in evidence before making a claim. So no, as of now I can't say Obama directed it. But it's possible that he could have of, remember, he and many others never thought Trump would win. So maybe he felt safe that his actions would never be discovered? That's just speculation of course. He's innocent until proven guilty. So I will stand by everyone and say Trump needs to show proof or else I can't believe it. If Obama did order a wiretap, do you expect the justification would be Trump's suspected connections to Russia which may or may not have had an effect on the election and possibly Trump's status as impartial to Russian demands?
	A Shadow is merely Darkness in the presence of Light Thanks Kid Buu for this awesome sig! The Emperor Protects


Dingo	Mar 6 2017, 04:55 PM Post #51
Posts: 557 Group: Orangutan Member #9,745 Joined: July 13, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Dragonball What Browser do you use? Chrome	Daemon Keido Mar 6 2017, 04:13 PM Political Piper Mar 6 2017, 02:11 PM Paladin Mar 5 2017, 11:31 PM lol, I really wouldn't be surprised if someone came out with legitimate evidence of most former presidents doing some sort of wire-tapping. Until there is evidence that there was wire-tapping, I won't believe it. Its just more hot air from Trump. Not that I am an Obama fan either way. Again, I can pretty much guarantee Trump got his communications monitored, just like I can pretty much guarantee all US citizens have due to the NSA's computer monitoring. I don't believe, as of yet, Obama directed anyone during his Presidency to do it, however. But I wouldn't be surprised if he did. Remember, Obama did monitor the French President as well as German chancellor. If he willingly hacked and spied on the leaders of our allies who he gets along with, I don't find it implausible that he monitored an individual he didn't get along with; an individual he thought was dangerous and unfit - his words. But I believe in evidence before making a claim. So no, as of now I can't say Obama directed it. But it's possible that he could have of, remember, he and many others never thought Trump would win. So maybe he felt safe that his actions would never be discovered? That's just speculation of course. He's innocent until proven guilty. So I will stand by everyone and say Trump needs to show proof or else I can't believe it. If Obama did order a wiretap, do you expect the justification would be Trump's suspected connections to Russia which may or may not have had an effect on the election and possibly Trump's status as impartial to Russian demands? That'd probably be the line they'd go with.
	Wisdom Wisdom Pack 🐺🐕🦊🐩🐶


Daemon Keido	Mar 6 2017, 08:08 PM Post #52
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	I suppose the better question would be: If this is true and that is the justification.......did anything get found?
	A Shadow is merely Darkness in the presence of Light Thanks Kid Buu for this awesome sig! The Emperor Protects


Dingo	Mar 6 2017, 10:55 PM Post #53
Posts: 557 Group: Orangutan Member #9,745 Joined: July 13, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Dragonball What Browser do you use? Chrome	Daemon Keido Mar 6 2017, 08:08 PM I suppose the better question would be: If this is true and that is the justification.......did anything get found? Nope. Would've been leaked by now.
	Wisdom Wisdom Pack 🐺🐕🦊🐩🐶


Political Piper	Mar 6 2017, 11:54 PM Post #54
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Yeah what Dingo said. As for Obama's reason, I don't know. That would be one thing to consider. But then we have to remember how he targeted journalists in 2013 using the NSA, including the AP and calling James Rosen a co-conspirator under the espionage act to get his personal emails and phone records. I think a big part of it was due to Eric Holder. People who think Jeff Sessions is bad should really look into him, I think most would be shocked at what type of AG he was. Here's some interesting tid bits of Obama's DOJ under Eric Holder using the powers of Government to spy on reporters. Including denouncements of the Obama administration by left leaning media outlets Spoiler: click to toggle On May 17, 2013, the Washington Post reported the Justice Department had monitored reporter Rosen's activities by tracking his visits to the State Department, through phone traces, timing of calls and his personal emails in a probe regarding possible news leaks of classified information in 2009 about North Korea.[8] In obtaining the warrants, they labeled Rosen a "criminal co-conspirator" with Stephen Kim.[9] Rosen was also described as a "flight-risk" to keep him from being informed of the ongoing surveillance.[10] In a written statement, the Justice Department said it had followed “all applicable laws, regulations, and longstanding Department of Justice policies intended to safeguard the First Amendment interests of the press in reporting the news and the public in receiving it.”[8] Some analysts have described the Justice Department's actions as "aggressive investigative methods"[11][12] that have a chilling effect on news organizations' ability to play a watchdog role. Fox News contributor Judge Andrew Napolitano commented: "This is the first time that the federal government has moved to this level of taking ordinary, reasonable, traditional, lawful reporter skills and claiming they constitute criminal behavior."[13] An editorial board of the New York Times wrote: "With the decision to label a Fox News television reporter a possible 'co-conspirator' in a criminal investigation of a news leak, the Obama administration has moved beyond protecting government secrets to threatening fundamental freedoms of the press to gather news."[14] Dana Milbank of the Washington Post stated: "The Rosen affair is as flagrant an assault on civil liberties as anything done by George W. Bush’s administration, and it uses technology to silence critics in a way Richard Nixon could only have dreamed of. To treat a reporter as a criminal for doing his job — seeking out information the government doesn’t want made public — deprives Americans of the First Amendment freedom on which all other constitutional rights are based." Then we have Eric Holder committing perjury to congress and lying about leading the NSA charge at reporters. Spoiler: click to toggle Days prior on May 15, 2013, Attorney General Holder had testified under oath in front of the House Judiciary Committee that he had recused himself from the leak investigations to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest. Holder said his Deputy Attorney General, James M. Cole, was in charge of the AP investigation and would have ordered the subpoenas.[16] When questioning turned to the possibility of journalists being charged under the Espionage Act for reporting classified material, Holder stated: "With regard to the potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of material, that is not something that I've ever been involved in, heard of or would think would be a wise policy."[17] On May 23, 2013, NBC confirmed with the Justice Department that Holder had personally signed off on the Rosen case. The Justice Department defended their decision and spoke about a balance between protecting national secrets and the 1st Amendment, stating: "After extensive deliberations, and after following all applicable laws, regulations and policies, the Department sought an appropriately tailored search warrant under the Privacy Protection Act."[18] The revelation brought into question whether Holder was being intentionally misleading during his previous testimony when he denied knowing of, or being part of possible prosecutions of journalists. House Committee members sent an open letter to Holder, saying: "It is imperative that the committee, the Congress, and the American people be provided a full and accurate account of your involvement."[19] No charges were ever brought toward Holder.. So to answer your question, no. It's possible their reasoning could be possible ties with Russia, but if history has taught us anything, I would conclude they did it for nefarious reason, in that were worried about Trump gaining ground and wanted something to bring him down if it got to that. Which could be happening now if we're going to speculate.. =\
	My Youtube Channel With More Political and Breaking News Videos FOOD FOR THOUGHT:


Daemon Keido	Mar 7 2017, 01:00 AM Post #55
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	This kind of wiretap can only be done by the FBI. And last time I checked, they are pretty good at no leaks, especially compared to Trump.
	A Shadow is merely Darkness in the presence of Light Thanks Kid Buu for this awesome sig! The Emperor Protects


* Ketchup Revenge	Mar 7 2017, 03:10 AM Post #56
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Params7 Mar 5 2017, 03:27 PM Ketchup Revenge Mar 5 2017, 05:12 AM Params7 Mar 5 2017, 04:29 AM Ketchup Revenge Mar 5 2017, 04:21 AM If anyone's been tapping Trump's phones, it's the CIA who are basically a separate organization from the government. Its been confirmed that it was FBI that got the warrants to tap Trump's phones. FBI answers to AG Loretta Lynch who in turn answers to Obama. That's not proof of guilt from the White House, as Obama has said he does not interfere with his DoJ (FBI's) investigations. I do think Trump may have a case to fight if he can show FBI kept on spying on him despite no evidence of Russia connection being found. If FBI spied on Trump's domestic and non-Russian international coversations, Trump can sue. Trump can use this case as a precedent: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-03/fbi-settles-wiretap-suit-with-spouse-of-convicted-inside-trader Trump cited no evidence to his accusation though. And even if it were true, Obama had that legal authority to have the FBI wire tap Trump Tower. Even if they monitored personal conversations from Trump tower, it's not illegal under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, as long as they only monitor for information about foreign intelligence, and the monitoring can only occur for a year. For example, if Trump in a personal conversation to one of his big-wig buddies decided he wanted to start an illegal prostitution ring, they couldn't use the information they'd gathered during monitoring for foreign intelligence to do anything about it... but they can still legally monitor that conversation. Presidents cannot order wiretaps on private citizens. That is just false. You may be right on the latter part. FBI would still need to prove any conversations they monitored, even his private conversations with friends or family had potential for Russia topic. If they cannot prove that, they may be in trouble. Don't think FISA warrants give unfettered monitoring permission to target every call Trump is making, that would be a serious breach of privacy rights. They can monitor according to the the FISA, which has been heavily amended over the years, particularly following the 9/11 attacks. The President can authorize (through the Attorney General) phone surveillance of private citizens, as long as the government has probable cause to suspect that intelligence may be being passed to foreign governments through private citizens. This is heavily controversial though as it is often seen as a violation of the Fourth Amendment. If the FBI had found evidence of Trump communicating with Russia or Vladimir Putin regularly for an unknown reason, then they have probable cause to investigate why. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act
	The vengeance is her's for as long as she stands by Him.


Daemon Keido	Mar 7 2017, 03:23 AM Post #57
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Another matter that should be mentioned: FISA records are inherently classified due to what they are looking for. But the President can declassify any document he wishes without any check or balance. If the FISA record actually exists, he can just demand it be declassified and open for public viewing at any time. There are two outcomes which result in Trump not declassifying the FISA records of these alleged wiretaps: 1. He knows that no such wiretap happened and therefore cannot declassify a document that doesn't exist. 2. The wiretaps did happen and he knows there is incriminating info on those recordings that will taint if not upend his presidency.
	A Shadow is merely Darkness in the presence of Light Thanks Kid Buu for this awesome sig! The Emperor Protects


Political Piper	Mar 7 2017, 07:02 PM Post #58
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	We should remember that FISA courts aren't like regular courts. Regular courts you need evidence to obtain a warrant, FISA courts you only need a hunch. And it seems to be confirmed that there was a FISA court request regarding Trump in July, that seems to be confirmed from various news sources over the last couple months and not just Breitbart but other sources including the Guardian, famous for the Snowden affair, among others. Homeland Security John Kelly said on CNN yesterday that Trump has compelling evidence of his claim. So we shall see how this unfurls in the near future. What we can say for certain, is that this story isn't going away soon. Mark Levin broke it down yesterday on Hannity Spoiler: click to toggle
	My Youtube Channel With More Political and Breaking News Videos FOOD FOR THOUGHT:


* Ketchup Revenge	Mar 9 2017, 01:52 AM Post #59
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Daemon Keido Mar 7 2017, 03:23 AM Another matter that should be mentioned: FISA records are inherently classified due to what they are looking for. But the President can declassify any document he wishes without any check or balance. That's not true. Clinton was (and still is) hugely interested in UFOs, and while in office, he wanted access to the CIA's records on UFOs. He said in an interview several years ago that he was told he couldn't even look at them because "curiosity wasn't a sufficient enough reason". Even the president doesn't have the power to willy-nilly declassify any document he or she wishes, they have to have a legitimate reason to even gain access to them. I'm not saying that Trump is wrong, but a sudden Twitter rant about wiretaps makes him look extremely unprofessional, and quite frankly, like a lunatic with a conspiracy. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Mar 9 2017, 01:55 AM.
	The vengeance is her's for as long as she stands by Him.


Daemon Keido	Mar 9 2017, 01:55 AM Post #60
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Alright, I am mistaken on that but not the FISA records part. Those cpuld be declassified without much fuss, especially if Trump is telling the truth. Only reason it wouldn't he so easy is if it doesn't exist or because he is implicated.
	A Shadow is merely Darkness in the presence of Light Thanks Kid Buu for this awesome sig! The Emperor Protects


1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)

Create a free forum in seconds. Learn More · Sign-up for Free
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Deep Discussion · Next Topic »

Pages:
1
2
3
4
5