Donald Trump Accuses Obama of 'wire-tapping' his office

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Donald Trump Accuses Obama of 'wire-tapping' his office
Tweet Topic Started: Mar 4 2017, 12:35 PM (2,598 Views)
* Ketchup Revenge	Mar 5 2017, 04:21 AM Post #31
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	My question would be what would Obama gain out of tapping Trump's office? At this point, Obama simply seems like a target, just because it's Obama and Trump doesn't like him. Obama is a former president with no responsibilities in the political system currently... And this isn't the first time that Trump has gone after Obama. He's basically the one who started the birther movement back in 2012 where he was questioning if Obama was born in the US or not... which wouldn't have made a difference anyway if he wasn't because if your parents (or at least one) are legal US citizens with no ties to other countries, you are considered a naturally born citizen in the US. Obama's mother was never tied to different countries. If anyone's been tapping Trump's phones, it's the CIA who are basically a separate organization from the government. They don't have to answer to anyone, not the Congress or the President. Bill Clinton said in an interview once that when he was president, he wanted to release information on what the CIA knew about UFOs, and the CIA refused, saying that his curiosity wasn't a good enough reason. He at that time wasn't on a "need to know" basis. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Mar 5 2017, 04:26 AM.
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Params7	Mar 5 2017, 04:29 AM Post #32
Posts: 244 Group: Member Member #1,881 Joined: November 7, 2006	Ketchup Revenge Mar 5 2017, 04:21 AM If anyone's been tapping Trump's phones, it's the CIA who are basically a separate organization from the government. Its been confirmed that it was FBI that got the warrants to tap Trump's phones. FBI answers to AG Loretta Lynch who in turn answers to Obama. That's not proof of guilt from the White House, as Obama has said he does not interfere with his DoJ (FBI's) investigations. I do think Trump may have a case to fight if he can show FBI kept on spying on him despite no evidence of Russia connection being found. If FBI spied on Trump's domestic and non-Russian international coversations, Trump can sue. Trump can use this case as a precedent: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-03/fbi-settles-wiretap-suit-with-spouse-of-convicted-inside-trader



* Ketchup Revenge	Mar 5 2017, 05:12 AM Post #33
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Params7 Mar 5 2017, 04:29 AM Ketchup Revenge Mar 5 2017, 04:21 AM If anyone's been tapping Trump's phones, it's the CIA who are basically a separate organization from the government. Its been confirmed that it was FBI that got the warrants to tap Trump's phones. FBI answers to AG Loretta Lynch who in turn answers to Obama. That's not proof of guilt from the White House, as Obama has said he does not interfere with his DoJ (FBI's) investigations. I do think Trump may have a case to fight if he can show FBI kept on spying on him despite no evidence of Russia connection being found. If FBI spied on Trump's domestic and non-Russian international coversations, Trump can sue. Trump can use this case as a precedent: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-03/fbi-settles-wiretap-suit-with-spouse-of-convicted-inside-trader Trump cited no evidence to his accusation though. And even if it were true, Obama had that legal authority to have the FBI wire tap Trump Tower. Even if they monitored personal conversations from Trump tower, it's not illegal under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, as long as they only monitor for information about foreign intelligence, and the monitoring can only occur for a year. For example, if Trump in a personal conversation to one of his big-wig buddies decided he wanted to start an illegal prostitution ring, they couldn't use the information they'd gathered during monitoring for foreign intelligence to do anything about it... but they can still legally monitor that conversation.
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Params7	Mar 5 2017, 03:27 PM Post #34
Posts: 244 Group: Member Member #1,881 Joined: November 7, 2006	Ketchup Revenge Mar 5 2017, 05:12 AM Params7 Mar 5 2017, 04:29 AM Ketchup Revenge Mar 5 2017, 04:21 AM If anyone's been tapping Trump's phones, it's the CIA who are basically a separate organization from the government. Its been confirmed that it was FBI that got the warrants to tap Trump's phones. FBI answers to AG Loretta Lynch who in turn answers to Obama. That's not proof of guilt from the White House, as Obama has said he does not interfere with his DoJ (FBI's) investigations. I do think Trump may have a case to fight if he can show FBI kept on spying on him despite no evidence of Russia connection being found. If FBI spied on Trump's domestic and non-Russian international coversations, Trump can sue. Trump can use this case as a precedent: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-03/fbi-settles-wiretap-suit-with-spouse-of-convicted-inside-trader Trump cited no evidence to his accusation though. And even if it were true, Obama had that legal authority to have the FBI wire tap Trump Tower. Even if they monitored personal conversations from Trump tower, it's not illegal under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, as long as they only monitor for information about foreign intelligence, and the monitoring can only occur for a year. For example, if Trump in a personal conversation to one of his big-wig buddies decided he wanted to start an illegal prostitution ring, they couldn't use the information they'd gathered during monitoring for foreign intelligence to do anything about it... but they can still legally monitor that conversation. Presidents cannot order wiretaps on private citizens. That is just false. You may be right on the latter part. FBI would still need to prove any conversations they monitored, even his private conversations with friends or family had potential for Russia topic. If they cannot prove that, they may be in trouble. Don't think FISA warrants give unfettered monitoring permission to target every call Trump is making, that would be a serious breach of privacy rights.



Dingo	Mar 5 2017, 04:14 PM Post #35
Posts: 557 Group: Orangutan Member #9,745 Joined: July 13, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Dragonball What Browser do you use? Chrome	EMIYA Mar 4 2017, 02:40 PM Nagito Komaeda Mar 4 2017, 02:30 PM Wait, people are actually treating this as a possibility? I hope everyone realises that this is just an attempt to deflect from the pressure being put on Sessions and the rest of Trump's Cabinet and Staff. I doubt anyone (well those who have any lick of sense) is taking it seriously. As the article said, Trump just started tweeting it without any substantial evidence and we're not even sure where he got the information to begin with. I think that it's plausible. Might not have been Obama himself doing the spying but someone in the chain of command. A presidential tweet is good enough for me to accept that it's plausible. We'll know more soon.
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* Yu Narukami	Mar 5 2017, 04:20 PM Post #36
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	A ''Presidential Tweet'' means diddly-squat. He also tweeted about having the biggest inauguration crowd, along with countless other false claims, so it provides no plausibility whatsoever. If he was being tapped, something would've leaked about it by now, whether it was true or false. The fact that we've heard absolutely nothing about these supposed wiretaps 'till Trump pulled it out of his rear, it's safe to assume that it isn't the case.



Dingo	Mar 5 2017, 04:26 PM Post #37
Posts: 557 Group: Orangutan Member #9,745 Joined: July 13, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Dragonball What Browser do you use? Chrome	Nagito Komaeda Mar 5 2017, 04:20 PM A ''Presidential Tweet'' means diddly-squat. He also tweeted about having the biggest inauguration crowd, along with countless other false claims, so it provides no plausibility whatsoever. If he was being tapped, something would've leaked about it by now, whether it was true or false. The fact that we've heard absolutely nothing about these supposed wiretaps 'till Trump pulled it out of his rear, it's safe to assume that it isn't the case. He did have a large crowd. Large enough that the claim was plausible until more analysis was done. It's not like he had no crowd and claimed that there was one. It's silly to have a strong opinion either way until we know more. Edited by Dingo, Mar 5 2017, 04:28 PM.
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* Yu Narukami	Mar 5 2017, 04:30 PM Post #38
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Dingo Mar 5 2017, 04:26 PM Nagito Komaeda Mar 5 2017, 04:20 PM A ''Presidential Tweet'' means diddly-squat. He also tweeted about having the biggest inauguration crowd, along with countless other false claims, so it provides no plausibility whatsoever. If he was being tapped, something would've leaked about it by now, whether it was true or false. The fact that we've heard absolutely nothing about these supposed wiretaps 'till Trump pulled it out of his rear, it's safe to assume that it isn't the case. He did have a large crowd. Large enough that the claim was plausible until more analysis was done. It's not like he had no crowd and claimed that there was one. It's silly to have a strong opinions either way until we know more. Nah, it wasn't plausible in the slightest. Any picture and any worker on the day would tell you that the crowd didn't compare to the Obama inaugurations, and that was on the day. It's perfectly valid to have a strong opinion because Trump makes the claim, multiple times, that it was specifically Obama who ordered and did this. Anyone can try and frame the issue however they like, but read these and tell me whether he's claiming that someone other than Obama did it; ''Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!'' ''Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!'' ''I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!'' ''How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!'' It's so obvious that it's a diversionary tactic. Or if it isn't, then a Federal Judge approved it with sufficient evidence that something was awry.



Dingo	Mar 5 2017, 04:37 PM Post #39
Posts: 557 Group: Orangutan Member #9,745 Joined: July 13, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Dragonball What Browser do you use? Chrome	Someone has to take responsibility for the actions of the Obama administration. Might as well be Obama. Edited by Dingo, Mar 5 2017, 04:37 PM.
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* Yu Narukami	Mar 5 2017, 04:38 PM Post #40
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Dingo Mar 5 2017, 04:37 PM Someone has to take responsibility for the actions of his administration. Might as well be Obama. Really? It wouldn't be the individual's fault, but Obama's, even though he wasn't aware of it?



Dingo	Mar 5 2017, 05:03 PM Post #41
Posts: 557 Group: Orangutan Member #9,745 Joined: July 13, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Dragonball What Browser do you use? Chrome	Nagito Komaeda Mar 5 2017, 04:38 PM Dingo Mar 5 2017, 04:37 PM Someone has to take responsibility for the actions of his administration. Might as well be Obama. Really? It wouldn't be the individual's fault, but Obama's, even though he wasn't aware of it? Yes. Of course! That's one of the responsibilities of being at the top.
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* Yu Narukami	Mar 5 2017, 05:07 PM Post #42
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Dingo Mar 5 2017, 05:03 PM Nagito Komaeda Mar 5 2017, 04:38 PM Dingo Mar 5 2017, 04:37 PM Someone has to take responsibility for the actions of his administration. Might as well be Obama. Really? It wouldn't be the individual's fault, but Obama's, even though he wasn't aware of it? Yes. Of course! That's one of the responsibilities of being at the top. There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever to even vaguely support the claims of his phones being tapped, so does this mean that whatever claim Trump thinks up, it deserves an investigation? Like, tomorrow, if he claimed that Obama had that Russian Ambassador who died the other week killed, would that deserve an investigation?



Dingo	Mar 5 2017, 05:18 PM Post #43
Posts: 557 Group: Orangutan Member #9,745 Joined: July 13, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Dragonball What Browser do you use? Chrome	Nagito Komaeda Mar 5 2017, 05:07 PM Dingo Mar 5 2017, 05:03 PM Nagito Komaeda Mar 5 2017, 04:38 PM Dingo Mar 5 2017, 04:37 PM Someone has to take responsibility for the actions of his administration. Might as well be Obama. Really? It wouldn't be the individual's fault, but Obama's, even though he wasn't aware of it? Yes. Of course! That's one of the responsibilities of being at the top. There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever to even vaguely support the claims of his phones being tapped, so does this mean that whatever claim Trump thinks up, it deserves an investigation? Like, tomorrow, if he claimed that Obama had that Russian Ambassador who died the other week killed, would that deserve an investigation? They deserve investigation.
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* Yu Narukami	Mar 5 2017, 05:19 PM Post #44
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Dingo Mar 5 2017, 05:18 PM Nagito Komaeda Mar 5 2017, 05:07 PM Dingo Mar 5 2017, 05:03 PM Nagito Komaeda Mar 5 2017, 04:38 PM Dingo Mar 5 2017, 04:37 PM Someone has to take responsibility for the actions of his administration. Might as well be Obama. Really? It wouldn't be the individual's fault, but Obama's, even though he wasn't aware of it? Yes. Of course! That's one of the responsibilities of being at the top. There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever to even vaguely support the claims of his phones being tapped, so does this mean that whatever claim Trump thinks up, it deserves an investigation? Like, tomorrow, if he claimed that Obama had that Russian Ambassador who died the other week killed, would that deserve an investigation? They deserve investigation. For an investigation, it's commonplace to have some kind of basis, which they don't. Do you really think they wouldn't provide any evidence whatsoever if they actually had evidence?



+ Ssj3vegito96	Mar 5 2017, 05:27 PM Post #45
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	With how corrupt the government is I wouldn't be surprised. But I feel like trump just doesn't know when to stop saying things on Twitter. If it's true though... I don't think Obama is leaving a very good legacy
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