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Dragon Ball Super PL list
Topic Started: Mar 3 2017, 05:46 PM (2,951 Views)
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But the narrator even said that goku and beerus were still hitting each other the power to destroy the universe itself even after goku reverted back to ssj

Are you going to tell me next that gokus not actually hitting with universe destroying force even though the narrative explicitly says so?
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That wouldn't equate SSJG Goku to SSJ Goku especially when Beerus says otherwise.
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It would at least put Ssj goku near ssjg though wouldn't it?
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Not seeing why that has to be the case. SSJ Goku only has to be massively above every other Z-fighter, not close to his SSJG self.
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Because the narrative is portraying Ssj goku as not being much weaker. That's always the impression I got at least
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He's still fighting on a "godly level", but there isn't anything indicating that the level he was fighting at was one comparable to SSJG.

Narrative wise, Beerus states that there should be more to Post god Goku's power & Beerus was always toying with him, even with a full power SSJG Goku.
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So you're saying that Ssj goku has all the power of ssjg but he just can't use 100% of it right? But when he does tap into it all and he becomes a Ssj he's a ssjb?
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Yes, correct.
Goku wasn't consciously using God power. He only has God's essence in his lesser forms. Using the actual Godly ki is what allows him to transform into SSJG.

When Goku utilizes Godly ki(SSJG) while being a Super Saiyan, he goes Super Saiyan Blue.
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But ssjb shouldn't have any direct relation to ssjg if vegeta can turn ssjb. Ssjb is God ki(proper ki control)+super saiyan

I guess I can see how it can work actually. Explains why beerus was just poking Ssj goku around at first so when he actually started fighting him later he could've just been toying with him

I still think ssjb and ssjg are unrelated though
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Goku explaining Super Saiyan Blue

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It's stated that Super Saiyan Blue is just Super Saiyan God+Super Saiyan. There isn't any reason why Vegeta can't go red.
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after Goten is amazed that Goku is now “second in the universe” (next after Beerus), Goku tells Vegeta he’ll be the next to become SSG
Vegeta: “If it’s only going to get me to second place, then I don’t need that power! Just wait and see, I’ll get stronger relying solely on my own power! I’ll surpass Super Saiyan God, Beerus, and you!”
Significance: “If it only gets me to second place” referring to how SSG Goku lost to Beerus and so was only the second best in the universe. Anyway, we’ll see how Vegeta’s plan works out. Also interesting that he lists Goku and Super Saiyan God as two separate things that he’ll surpass.

I think this pretty much hits the nail on the head with what you're saying. Goku wasn't ssjg level anymore. He only had it inside of him. Herms noticed the same thing

Or it could mean that goku is stronger than ssjg?

I still don't think vegeta ever got ssjg though because we never saw him do it. We only saw him obtain God ki through proper ki control and it didn't result in him or goku turning ssjg. He even says he will surpass goku and ssjg without it
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Well, yeah that statement makes sense. Super Saiyan God would make Vegeta the 2nd strongest, which wouldn't be the case if Goku was already as powerful as Super Saiyan God as a regular Super Saiyan. What episode is that from?

Super Saiyan Blue is stated to be Super Saiyan God+Super Saiyan. The God ki that Vegeta obtained would allow him to go Red just like Goku. Combining that with Super Saiyan would allow him to go Blue.
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It's episode 14

What's confusing is that goten calls goku the second strongest but vegeta lists goku and ssjg separately

I don't think they can go red. We would've seen it wouldn't we?

I need to back and look for it in the show because I can't find it in Herms but I could've swore vegeta said that goku had even evolved past the ssjg form
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Goku was the 2nd strongest at that time. Super Saiyan God didn't exist anymore since Goku couldn't actually use it due to lack of mastery.

Beerus is obviously #1 and Super Saiyan God according to Vegeta would make him the 2nd best. Vegeta then says that he doesn't have any need for power that wouldn't make him the strongest.

Vegeta and Goten's quotes have nothing to do with each other.
Super Saiyan God's relevance in the conversation doesn't go any farther than being a potential power for Vegeta to obtain, but since it would only make Vegeta the 2nd strongest, he says that he doesn't need it.

Both Goku and Vegeta can obviously go Red. They use it every time they use Blue since they need to combine Red with SSJ to go Blue.

Goku evolving past SSJG just means that he absorbed that world into him and made the power his own. It doesn't mean that he was stronger than his SSJG self.
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The title of episode 13 is "goku, go surpass super saiyan God!"

There's some more confusion lol
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