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Dragon Ball Super PL list
Topic Started: Mar 3 2017, 05:46 PM (2,952 Views)
* Yu Narukami
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SuperSaiyanGodGogeta
Mar 3 2017, 08:28 PM
Once again, Goku didn't lose SSJG's power. The power fully merging with Goku isn't an admission that SSJ Goku=SSJG Goku.

It just means that Goku has all of the power. That's it. It doesn't mean that he was capable of using anywhere near the full amount without transforming into SSJG.
How is Beerus able to tell that Goku absorbed it entirely then?
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That doesn't make sense though. He didn't get weaker

Goku: “Huh? When did that happen? But I don’t feel like I’ve gotten weaker at all! What’s going on, Beerus-sama?”

Even when gokus not consciously tapping into ssjg he still was just as strong
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@Nagito

A common sense deduction based on Goku being much stronger than he was before absorbing SSJG.

@ssj3vegito

Goku didn't lose SSJG's power, so no he doesn't feel weaker. Nothing during that exchange indicates that Goku can use all of SSJG's power just as an SSJ.

Beerus himself stated otherwise when he stated that there should be more to Goku than he was showing due to absorbing SSJG.
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Mar 3 2017, 08:39 PM
@Nagito

A common sense deduction based on Goku being much stronger than he was before absorbing SSJG.

@ssj3vegito

Goku didn't lose SSJG's power, so no he doesn't feel weaker. Nothing during that exchange indicates that Goku can use all of SSJG's power just as an SSJ.

Beerus himself stated otherwise when he stated that there should be more to Goku than he was showing due to absorbing SSJG.
A common sense deduction?

''He's a lot stronger than he was before, so he must've absorbed SSG's power in its entirety, even though he's much weaker than that right now.''

What's 'common sense' about that?
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I'm not seeing the relevance of your comparison. You're nitpicking at this point.

-Beerus states that God's power fully merged with Goku.
-Beerus states that there should be more to Goku's power due to him absorbing God.

Yes, the deduction that Beerus made is simply due to common sense. If he didn't absorb SSJG, then he would've reverted back to his former level.
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What's the point in giving Botamo a power level? His whole thing was absorbing attacks.
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Just felt like it. His whole thing was absorbing attacks, but he must be strong to some extent if he was chosen for the U6 tournament.
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It doesn't make sense still. Literally one scene after the scene you're bringing up happens, goku pushes beerus back without turning ssjg and beerus says "this is the power of ssjg". I really think it was just a taunt. Everything other than that one line by beerus points to ssj goku=ssjg goku
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No, directly after the scene, Goku powers up and Beerus says "very good". Goku then launches a Kamehameha and Beerus states that "he still won't be able to touch him at that level".

Goku powering up and Beerus' statements that come after contradicts Goku operating at SSJG's full power.

As far as what you're referring to, Beerus is just speaking in a general sense. Goku has the power of the Super Saiyan God.
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Mar 3 2017, 09:56 PM
No, directly after the scene, Goku powers up and Beerus says "very good". Goku then launches a Kamehameha and Beerus states that "he still won't be able to touch him at that level".
What does that have to do with it though?

Edit: nvm I see what you're saying

Ok this is not making sense still though. Why is he so weak all of a sudden but immediately after he absorbed ssjg there wasn't any noticeable power loss
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I don't know what you're talking about. Goku didn't lose power, which is why he didn't feel weaker. He just isn't able to bring out SSJG's full power in any form outside of SSJG and later on, SSB.
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First goku absorbs ssjg and doesn't get any weaker. He does just as good against beerus as he did when he was a ssjg. So it doesn't make sense that he would need ssjg still

Then when they're fighting under water beerus says that goku seems weaker...

What is going on here?
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Goku at no point after reverting from SSJG, was using the full SSJG power.
He didn't feel weaker since he didn't actually lose SSJG's power. He just can't use all of it if he isn't using SSJG.
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SuperSaiyanGodGogeta
Mar 3 2017, 10:37 PM
Goku at no point after reverting from SSJG, was using the full SSJG power.
He didn't feel weaker since he didn't actually lose SSJG's power. He just can't use all of it if he isn't using SSJG.
I understand what you're saying but it would imply that Ssj goku shouldn't do as good against beerus as he did when he was a ssjg. But he did. But then apparently didn't later? So does that mean he was slowly losing control of it?

And then another confusing thing is that after that under water scene goku pulls out all this power as a Ssj and pushes beerus...it seems like his power was really up and down throughout the fight
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That's not the case based on narrative. You were using the same logic to claim that Piccolo and Frost were close.
Beerus was toying with him the whole time and he stated that there should've been more to Goku's power due to him absorbing SSJG.
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