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Dragon Ball Super PL list
Topic Started: Mar 3 2017, 05:46 PM (2,953 Views)
SuperSaiyanGodGogeta
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No to everything you just said.
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Yes

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Base goku>ssjg goku
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Nothing suggests that a 226x boost is a rule of thumb. Frieza's final form on Namek just happened to be 226 times stronger than his first form and nothing hints at the writers applying any sort of static formula to Frieza's transformations like the Super Saiyan transformations.


We've had one true data sample of the gap from Freeza's first form to his final and it was 226x. His second form was at least a 2x increase, the third some degree higher than that, and his initial final form was at roughly 2.5% of his maximum. If you're going to suddenly make it radically different, give something concrete to support that instead of "that's how I want it to be so that's how it'll be".
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@ssj3vegito

That doesn't mean that Base Goku>SSJG Goku. All that means is that Goku is in general, stronger than he was before.

@Slifer

Nothing implies that 226 is a static multiplier of Freeza's forms. No official material supports the idea that Freeza's transformations have a set multiplier. The series gives no credence to a static 226x boost.
That's just what it happened to be on Namek. You made the claim, so prove that ROF Freeza's "multiplier" from first to final form is 226
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Krillin saw SSJ Goku (Post-God), who's = SSG Goku, so nah.

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SSJ Goku isn't equal to SSJG Goku so nah.
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SuperSaiyanGodGogeta
Mar 3 2017, 08:04 PM
SSJ Goku isn't equal to SSJG Goku so nah.
Are we really going over this again, when Slifer pulled up quotes directly stating that SSJ Goku lost no power at all?
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SuperSaiyanGodGogeta
Mar 3 2017, 08:01 PM
@ssj3vegito

That doesn't mean that Base Goku>SSJG Goku. All that means is that Goku is in general, stronger than he was before.

@Slifer

Nothing implies that 226 is a static multiplier of Freeza's forms. No official material supports the idea that Freeza's transformations have a set multiplier. The series gives no credence to a static 226x boost.
That's just what it happened to be on Namek. You made the claim, so prove that ROF Freeza's "multiplier" from first to final form is 226
They all sensed goku after he absorbed ssjg and didn't lose any power. He said he's stronger than he's ever seen him

I agree that it may be possible frieza's multipliers are different now. The point of his forms is to put a cap on his power so maybe he just capped them differently
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Never claimed that Goku lost power and those quotes don't prove that SSJ Goku=SSJG Goku. Would be smarter to look over everything said during the fight instead of cherrypicking quotes.

He didn't lose SSJG's power, so obviously he wouldn't feel weaker. He can only use the full God power in SSJG.
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So nah, SSJ Goku isn't equal with SSJG Goku.
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SuperSaiyanGodGogeta
Mar 3 2017, 08:08 PM
Never claimed that Goku lost power and those quotes don't prove that SSJ Goku=SSJG Goku. Would be smarter to look over everything said during the fight instead of cherrypicking quotes.

He didn't lose SSJG's power, so obviously he wouldn't feel weaker. He can only use the full God power in SSJG.
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So nah, SSJ Goku isn't equal with SSJG Goku.
Wait, so Beerus contradicted himself? He said that Goku didn't lose any power while he was SSJ, yet he's somehow saying there that he should be stronger?
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You made the claim, so prove that ROF Freeza's "multiplier" from first to final form is 226


I didn't make a claim either way. I merely said it's a 226x increase on Namek and despite no official statement, nothing suggests that increase is different in Super. So why assume it is, other than the original increase not fitting with what you want your powerscaling to look like?

You're the one suggesting change. The burden of proof is on you to prove that change.

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He's just taunting him so he can pull out more power. Goku isn't tapping into ssjg. The power merged with him and became his own
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Taunting him doesn't take away from what Beerus said. Beerus stated himself that Goku wasn't using the full god power, so nope, Goku can't use the full god power without turning SSJG. Goku didn't feel weaker since he didn't lose SSJG's power. Doesn't mean that he was capable of using all of it as an SSJ or anywhere near it.

The idea that SSJ Goku was equal to SSJG Goku at that point contradicts the statement completely. If SSJ Goku was equal to SSJG Goku, then Beerus wouldn't have said that. Goku had already shown SSJG's full power prior as he stated himself.

Goku even powers up right after this to which Beerus says "very good", but he still wouldn't be able to reach him at that level.



@Slifer

Nah. A 226x boost isn't given credence anywhere in any official material, so the notion that it's the same is just as baseless as saying it's different. Freeza's forms aren't stated anywhere to be set multipliers. It just happened to be 226. The number is absolutely meaningless officially.
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What's going on here, then? Beerus must be doing something like sensing Goku's potential, right? Otherwise, it's an outright statement that SSJ Goku (Post-God) ~ SSG Goku.
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Once again, Goku didn't lose SSJG's power. The power fully merging with Goku isn't an admission that SSJ Goku=SSJG Goku.

It just means that Goku has all of the power. That's it. It doesn't mean that he was capable of using anywhere near the full amount without transforming into SSJG.
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