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After training in the ROAST, Gotenks "surpassed Vegeta and the others"?
Topic Started: Feb 23 2017, 08:14 PM (5,563 Views)
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What about when gero thought he had taken all of piccolo's energy so he couldn't tell how strong he was

Just because beerus could sense goku doesn't mean he could get a good idea of how strong he is powered up. They can't suppress their power to absolutely nothing can they?
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No evidence that Goku was suppressing. What does Piccolo suppressing against Gero have to do with anything?

I already know that the Z-fighters suppress their power in everyday life. Where is the proof that Goku was doing that against Beerus, especially when he was training prior?
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No evidence like Goku walking around with a resting level of 5,000 on Namek, right? We should just go against that and assume that he was letting out all of his Base Ki while trying to hide, 'cause that makes sense in and out of Universe, right?
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That he was hiding? That it wouldn't make sense for him to always be suppressed except when he's hiding? That we know for a fact that he does always suppress himself so there's no reason for it be explicitly stated? Basically, we don't need clear cut evidence
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@Nagito
That's not evidence of Goku suppressing against Beerus, so nah. All he did was hide from sight.

@SSJ3 Vegito
Nothing implies he was suppressed before he hid and nothing implies that he suppressed when he hid. All Goku was implied to do was hide from sight. Yeah, you do need evidence, otherwise I could make any crazy claim I want.
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Do ya have explicit, irrefutable evidence of Gohan having to breathe? If you don't have evidence, I can easily claim that he doesn't have to breathe.

Tell me, where's the evidence of Goku not suppressing? We've got instances of him suppressing in the past (and he was able to manipulate his PL up and down between 60,000 and 5,000 in an instant, so him 'training' isn't an excuse for him not suppressing it), so do you have any evidence that he would go against his normal behaviour?

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The jig was up when Beerus confronted Goku. No need to suppress anymore.
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@Nagito
Nah, you tried to use that argument before. It was irrelevant before, and it's irrelevant now. Same logic was used for Super Boo suppressing even though nothing in the story even slightly hinted at it.

Goku not suppressing against Beerus isn't against "normal behavior" and there's no indication that he was, so there isn't any reason to assume that.
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Feb 25 2017, 01:10 AM
@Nagito
Nah, you tried to use that argument before. It was irrelevant before, and it's irrelevant now. Same logic was used for Super Boo suppressing even though nothing in the story even slightly hinted at it.

Goku not suppressing against Beerus isn't against "normal behavior" and there's no indication that he was, so there isn't any reason to assume that.
Okay, so if he suppresses when he's standing opposite the Ginyu Force, why wouldn't he suppress when he's trying to hide from Beerus?

Pyrus - True, but there's no reason to blast his Ki at full once he was found out either.
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Hmm. Try flexing your muscles and walking around like that all day, no resting. DO IT.

It's easier staying in a relaxed status and only flexing when necessary.
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@Nagito

Again, that's not evidence. That's just how you think a character should act.
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Feb 25 2017, 01:18 AM
@Nagito

Again, that's not evidence. That's just how you think a character should act.
No, I'm asking you why he would be suppressed in a combat situation while not suppressing in a situation where he has to hide.
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How is that not you projecting how you think Goku should act?

He was stated to be suppressed against the Ginyu force, but nothing of the sort was implied against Beerus.
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Feb 25 2017, 01:23 AM
How is that not you projecting how you think Goku should act?

He was stated to be suppressed against the Ginyu force, but nothing of the sort was implied against Beerus.
Does context mean nothing whatsoever to you?
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Context is irrelevant in DBZ.
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