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| After training in the ROAST, Gotenks "surpassed Vegeta and the others"? | |
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| Slifer | Feb 24 2017, 05:32 AM Post #46 |
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Except Goku told Piccolo. In Piccolo's mind, that sets a direct benchmark for what he expect Gotenks' power to be.
lol he has rusty Gohan rivaling first form Freeza. Edited by Slifer, Feb 24 2017, 05:33 AM.
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| SuperSaiyanGodGogeta | Feb 24 2017, 05:32 AM Post #47 |
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Nah, I have Goten as strong as Rusty Gohan. @Slifer Nope, stretching statements again. All he told Piccolo is that Boo wouldn't destroy the earth since he told him that someone stronger than himself would come. Piccolo doesn't have any expectations of the fusion in relation to Goku's strength. He doesn't know how strong the fusion would be and it would be impossible for him to know. He then says that he's taking a gamble and that he hopes the new generation will be able to take care of Boo somehow or another. Edited by SuperSaiyanGodGogeta, Feb 24 2017, 05:35 AM.
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| + Saiyan Paladin | Feb 24 2017, 05:34 AM Post #48 |
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How much stronger do you think Gohan got training outside for a few days before the tournament? |
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| twitchy | Feb 24 2017, 05:35 AM Post #49 |
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SSjin Vegetto > Gohan-Boo > Gotenks-Boo > Ultimate Gohan > Buff Boo > Piccolo-Boo >/< SSjin 3 Gotenks >/< Super Boo > SSjin Gotenks (post-RST) > Base Gotenks (post-RST) > SSjin Gotenks > SSjin 3 Goku > Kid Boo > Fat Boo > Skinny Boo > Good Boo > SSjin 2 Majin Vegeta/Goku Had to dig that up from when I knew nothing about the manga. No mention of base Gotenks pre-ROSAT. How much stronger is pre-ROSAT SSjin Gotenks than SS3 Goku? Figure that out and you'll see if his base is stronger than Majin Vegeta. There's no way to tell by how much because power levels might as well be arbitrary. |
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| SuperSaiyanGodGogeta | Feb 24 2017, 05:39 AM Post #50 |
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The Base kids were rivaled by 530k's after all the training they did in the Boo arc, so they're weak as SSJs. Gohan wasn't gaining new strength that he didn't have before. He was just regaining his old power, so I have about a 100x gap between Rusty Gohan and back in shape Gohan. That fits Toei's depiction of Base Gohan being stronger than the SSJ kids in M10. Edited by SuperSaiyanGodGogeta, Feb 24 2017, 05:40 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Feb 24 2017, 05:46 AM Post #51 |
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Gotenks is at least 2x stronger than SSj3 Goku. |
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| twitchy | Feb 24 2017, 06:03 AM Post #52 |
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Okay so let's stick to that and say his power level at pre-ROSAT SSJ is 8,000. That divided by the SSJ3 multiplier 400 gives him a base power of 20. If SSJ2 Vegeta is 100, and you divide it by SSJ2 multiplier 100 then his base power is 1. So essentially, no matter what you spin it, pre-ROSAT Base Gotenks is considerably weaker than SSJ2 Vegeta even if he was 3,4,5 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku. EDIT - Calculation mistakes were made. Read below a few posts for my revision. Side note, why did you like Clearin's post on the first page where he stated Gotenks has never surpassed Vegeta pre or post-ROSAT if you agree with the lineup you gave me 6 years ago? Edited by twitchy, Feb 24 2017, 08:30 AM.
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| Sam | Feb 24 2017, 06:16 AM Post #53 |
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I'm not closing or warning anyone (yet) no insults, just keep going with the ![]() #goodmoderating Edited by Sam, Feb 24 2017, 06:16 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Feb 24 2017, 06:18 AM Post #54 |
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I'm so conflicted on how to feel. On one hand, the guidebook supersedes my personal opinion since it's directly from Akira Toriyama. On the other hand, the manga is directly from Akira Toriyama and it says Gotenks should be stronger than Goku. UGH! |
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| twitchy | Feb 24 2017, 06:21 AM Post #55 |
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Pyrus if that's sarcasm please stop lol, you're confusing me. I know you believe post-ROSAT Gotenks wipes the floor with SSJ3 Goku and Majin Vegeta. Just say so! |
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| twitchy | Feb 24 2017, 06:31 AM Post #56 |
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Actually I keep making mistakes in my calculations...f***. SSJ Gotenks only has a 50x multiplier, not 400. If pre-ROSAT SSJ Gotenks is 2x stronger than SSJ3 Goku (400) let's say his power level at pre-ROSAT SSJ is 800. That divided by the SSJ multiplier 50 gives him a base power of 16. If SSJ2 Vegeta is 100, and you divide it by SSJ2 multiplier 100 then his base power is 1. Regardless of what their power levels are, the ratios are static. So if pre-ROSAT SSJ Gotenks is 2x stronger than SSJ3 Goku in his base he is weaker than SSJ2 Vegeta. If he's just as strong as Goku then you have 400/50 = 8 Base, way weaker than SSJ2/Majin Vegeta. Pre-ROSAT Base Gotenks is weaker than Vegeta. Edited by twitchy, Feb 24 2017, 08:32 AM.
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| Vertical | Feb 24 2017, 08:03 AM Post #57 |
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If you really want to use the "Yo! Son Goku and friends return!" special as a source, then they would be rivaling Final Form Freeza at minimum. Tarble may have been thinking of 530k Freeza when warning the group but Goku would only be thinking of Final Form Freeza when saying they'd be good opponents for the kids. Also, just a general query but how do you function when two Daizenshuu contradict each other? Not a fan view, not the manga but they actually directly contradict each other... as in the whole SSJ2 Gohan fiasco. |
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| ekrolo2 | Feb 24 2017, 12:19 PM Post #58 |
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I take the guide books into consideration if they work with what the manga presented us with. So, if the guide book said "Gohan attained a power superseding that of Perfect Cell!" when he got SS2, that's fine, we know that's what happened. But if the guidebook tries to convince me that Goku with the long a*** hair of SS3, no eyebrows and lightning around his aura is SS1 or 2 then f*** off. This is an example of f***ing off the guidebooks. Fat Boo is x2 the strength of SS2 Gohan from the Boo arc who is stronger than Majin SS2 Vegeta. Goku said Gotenks wouldn't need the ROSAT to beat him and would only need a few days of training to win. The only way you can possibly make this work is if you neuter the fusion multiplier something fierce and assume Goku meant that Gotenks would've needed SS2 to beat Fat Boo. |
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| SuperSaiyanGodGogeta | Feb 24 2017, 01:47 PM Post #59 |
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@Vertical The Base kids would be one shotted by final form Freeza since Goku is stated to be incapable of beating the same Freeza in base. What you're saying doesn't even make sense. Tarble states that their power is 530k. The kids were rivaled by that. How does Goku's intentions change the fact that Abo and Kado are only 530k? Yes Final form Freeza is closer to the kids than the adults in power. So yes it makes sense to say that Freeza level power is a good challenge for the kids. Edited by SuperSaiyanGodGogeta, Feb 24 2017, 01:47 PM.
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| ekrolo2 | Feb 24 2017, 01:57 PM Post #60 |
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Don't Goten and Trunks one shot Abo & Kado in the OVA manga? They never needed Gohan coaching them like the anime version, instead Aka shows up and then they use Gotenks to beat him some more. |
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