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After training in the ROAST, Gotenks "surpassed Vegeta and the others"?
Topic Started: Feb 23 2017, 08:14 PM (5,562 Views)
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It does, but you're not interpreting it correctly, hence you come to conclusions like pre rosat SSJ Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku and post rosat Base Gotenks>>>>>>SSJ3 Goku.
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Feb 25 2017, 01:29 AM
It does, but you're not interpreting it correctly, hence you come to conclusions like pre rosat SSJ Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku and post rosat Base Gotenks>>>>>>SSJ3 Goku.
Okay, how am I not interpreting it correctly?

''Goku, go and hide in the house, Beerus is coming.''
''Okay, King Kai.''

Now, I'm not sure if this is common sense or not, but when you're trying to hide from someone who can sense Ki, what would be the best option to try and make sure they don't sense your Ki?
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Not hiding his ki apparently since Beerus sensed him.
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Feb 25 2017, 01:32 AM
Not hiding his ki apparently since Beerus sensed him.
Wait, wait, wait, so if he doesn't suppress his Ki down to zero, it means that he isn't suppressing it at all? They were suppressing at the rock back in the Boo Saga but Dabra was still able to sense them.

Fact is, Beerus is less likely to notice a suppressed PL of, say, 5 or 10, than Goku's full power in Base.
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You keep asking us to give evidence he was suppressed but it's been established already that unless goku is fighting he's suppressed. So you should be the one who has to give evidence that he wasn't
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@Nagito
Again, you're still not providing anything that implies that Goku was suppressing against Beerus. All King Kai told him to do was stay out of sight. Nothing implies that he ever snuffed his ki out during the entire ordeal, let alone after Beerus called him out.

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It was never stated that Goku is only unsuppressed whenever he is actively fighting. It's stated that the Z-fighters suppress their power during their everyday life. Yes you still need evidence that Goku was suppressing.
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Feb 25 2017, 01:39 AM
Again, you're still not providing anything that implies that Goku was suppressing against Beerus. All King Kai told him to do was stay out of sight. Nothing implies that he ever snuffed his ki out during the entire ordeal, let alone after Beerus called him out.
Okay, tell me what's more logical;

a) Hiding and suppressing your Ki
b) Hiding and not suppressing your Ki

It's a very, veeeeeeeery simple answer, and your calls for evidence are completely unnecessary in the face of basic logic and previous instances.
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Again, you're projecting what you think Goku should have done. Facts are, he isn't implied to have done anything but stay out of sight since that's all he was told to do.
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Feb 25 2017, 01:42 AM
Again, you're projecting what you think Goku should have done. Facts are, he isn't implied to have done anything but stay out of sight since that's all he was told to do.
Okay, so Goku went against the most logical choice and thought that hiding while letting out all of his Ki in base form would work? Nice, Goku.
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Feb 25 2017, 01:39 AM
@Nagito
Again, you're still not providing anything that implies that Goku was suppressing against Beerus. All King Kai told him to do was stay out of sight. Nothing implies that he ever snuffed his ki out during the entire ordeal, let alone after Beerus called him out.

@ssj3Vegito

It was never stated that Goku is only unsuppressed whenever he is actively fighting. It's stated that the Z-fighters suppress their power during their everyday life. Yes you still need evidence that Goku was suppressing.
But you agreed already that they are suppressed during their every day life. So why would he not be suppressed here?
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@Nagito

He had no reason to believe that he had to snuff out his ki since the instructions were simply "Don't let him see you".


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Everyday life=/=anything that happens on any given day when there isn't a enemy.

Was Piccolo suppressed to miniscule levels when he was training with Gohan? No, nothing implies that, yet according to your logic that falls under the "everyday life" category.

Everyday life refers to the things that normal people usually do.
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Feb 25 2017, 01:53 AM
@Nagito

He had no reason to believe that he had to snuff out his ki since the instructions were simply "Don't let him see you".


@ssj3vegito

Everyday life=/=anything that happens on any given day when there isn't a enemy.

Was Piccolo suppressed to miniscule levels when he was training with Gohan? No, nothing implies that, yet according to your logic that falls under the "everyday life" category.

Everyday life refers to the things that normal people usually do.
So Goku couldn't make the logical step of King Kai wanting to keep him hidden from Beerus? You're going to say that I'm just projecting what I expect Goku to do, but when somebody tells you to stay out of sight, they want you to hide, and in a world where people can sense Ki, hiding includes suppressing your Ki.

Actually, do ya have the quote where Kin Kai specifies not letting Beerus see him?
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To be fair beerus determined whether he thought goku could beat Frieza AFTER goku came out from hiding. Even then I still think goku was suppressed because, like piccolo, goku spikes up his power level when he attacks
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@Nagito

King Kai doesn't say anything about hiding. He just pushes Goku into his house where he can't be seen. Gregory tells Goku to keep his head down so Beerus doesn't see him.

You tell me that the conclusion to come to is very simple, yet Beerus says verbatim "It does not appear that you can beat him(Freeza) in your current form".


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Key word is "appear"
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