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| Pewdiepie: Anti-Semitic Jokes Gone Too Far? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 14 2017, 04:31 PM (2,907 Views) | |
| * Yu Narukami | Feb 15 2017, 04:57 PM Post #46 |
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Sorry, but if we're talking about young people who see Pewdiepie seemingly being complicit in these statements, what kind of message does that send out? The biggest guy on Youtube, the one everybody likes, seems to think it's okay to laugh at ridiculous, unfunny comments like ''Death to all Jews'', it normalises that behaviour. Any rational adult will be able to pick up that he's 'kidding' and not condoning the message or making jokes like that, but younger audiences are a lot more susceptible to stuff like that. |
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Feb 15 2017, 05:00 PM Post #47 |
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But why is it his responsibility to cater to younger viewers? It isn't his fault that young people watch him, and it isn't as if he asked for that. If young people happen to be watching his videos, that isn't a problem that lies with Pewdiepie himself; it's a problem with those children and their parents. If you don't want your child exposed to jokes that he or she may not understand or vulgarities, it really is rather simple to monitor internet activity. How old do you have to be to officially understand sarcasm and irony anyway? Is it 13? 16? 18? 21? |
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| * Yu Narukami | Feb 15 2017, 05:03 PM Post #48 |
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It's a sense of awareness of your audience. If you know that younger viewers are your key demographic, wouldn't it be logical for that to set the course of your channel? He has a certain level of responsibility because they're the driving force of his youtube career and, as a result, his income. Wait, it's sarcasm now? It's been labelled as countless other things, but how is it sarcastic/ironic? |
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Feb 15 2017, 05:09 PM Post #49 |
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Those are responsibilities that you seem to be pushing onto him now, not ones that he actually values. He has said countless times that he doesn't care about money. If he doesn't care about money, why is it suddenly his responsibility to entertain 12 year-olds? This argument doesn't make much sense, and you know it. He's also said several times that he only wants to put out content that he enjoys and that he is 100% satisfied with. YouTube is still something that he does for fun, regardless of the money. Understanding who the guy is and what he stands to gain from YouTube would probably help. Lazuli said this, and I think it's all that really needs to be said: "Your opinions on the "responsibilities of fame" shouldn't shackle and chain someone from putting out the thing they want to put out, or speaking their own mind. They're free to pursue whatever audience and create any content they want, and it's not their fault, nor should it be their binding, for the kinds of people that happen to watch them." |
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| * Yu Narukami | Feb 15 2017, 05:18 PM Post #50 |
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He's happy with the video and is 100% satisfied with it even though right after he got those guys to do it, he apologised several times and said that he didn't feel great about it? He uploaded it for shock value and more attention, especially with Youtube's new system in place. He's well-aware of his fanbase, so at the very least, he should make it explicitly clear that he's joking, just to be sure he's not influencing any of them. It's a 'responsibility' sure, but his lack of clarity on the situation let Stormfront use it as, for lack of a better term, an advertisement on their website. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Feb 15 2017, 06:02 PM Post #51 |
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Only if you're stupid enough to believe he's serious. Otherwise, he's treating such statements as they ought to be treated: as absurd. Far from "normalising", and essentially mocking. Plus, me and OFG have both already pointed out how he should be free to pursue any audience he wants, and it's up to the parents to stop their children from watching it if it's too poisonous. It's unfair of you to expect him to create very specific content that you can approve of, for a very specific audience you have in mind for him. Which is what you're suggesting he should do. Him not feeling great about them actually holding up the sign, and feeling somewhat remorseful—because he was apparently sure they would reject his request like the other ridiculous requests he also made that got rejected as expected—doesn't mean he doesn't still see the humour in it. Or think it was too bad to upload - evidently. You can see in his face he still finds it quite amusing, and even makes a joke or two after and amidst. That doesn't mean he can't feel a bit guilty at the same time, which can itself be (more) amusing to some or in some way. His disbelief is clear enough, even if he's just acting, and he points out in the very same video he's not an "anti-Symetic" [sic]. If Stormfront genuinely believes they've found an ally in him then they're idiots - which I doubt you'd disagree with unless you were simply being overly stalwart to the point for the sake of your disapproval. And, of course, them being idiots isn't his fault. It's ironic because, as he himself points out with a tone of understanding the irony of it, the simple and inoffensive request of playing some other game for money wasn't granted to him, as expected, but the seemingly far more absurd request to write a sign saying "Death to all Jews", or whatever, actually was. That's ironic. "Wryly amusing" is also exactly how I described it, funnily enough. It wasn't sophisticated, nor hilarious—though, what is?—but the humour was inherent, whether you or I found it in any way funny or not. |
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| + Steve | Feb 15 2017, 10:34 PM Post #52 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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It's a shame that with journalism these days most people who'll write these crappy articles either don't have the brain power to read any posts discussing the event here or just plain don't care what they write so long as it gets them money. It's weird how the "You can say anything on the internet" thing seems to have bled in to news a bit, obviously the news has never been neutral and lies have been there the whole time but many sites seem to just deliberately feed off of lies and never apologise no matter how many times they're shown to be ridiculous, it's dumb that they're allowed to continue doing it. I doubt PewDiePie's life will be ruined by this but the way the outside world sees him will definitely be altered. Even before this a lot of people only knew him as "The guy that screams down his microphone and touches kids/beats his girlfriend?" so this only adds to the negative visage that's put out there about the guy, even though most of the negative things just aren't true. EDIT Imagine meeting someone you don't know who has never met your or anything and they just greet you assuming you're a rapist, it's pretty horrible what the media do to tarnish peoples images. Edited by Steve, Feb 15 2017, 10:36 PM.
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Feb 15 2017, 10:49 PM Post #53 |
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Lol yeah, remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79xF2jSNW9k |
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| Dingo | Feb 16 2017, 01:28 AM Post #54 |
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Now that the wsj has gone after PewDiePie for some easy clicks his young audience will start hating on the mainstream media People covering this story will make some good ad revenue in the short term but they're just giving the alt-right types more ammo to label mainstream media as fake news. The video is getting universal hate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFY7mGkmFxo Edited by Dingo, Feb 16 2017, 01:54 AM.
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| + Steve | Feb 16 2017, 05:27 PM Post #55 |
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If anyone is interested and doesn't follow the channel, here's what Felix himself has to say in response: With the far reach of the internet hopefully people can push past the edgyness of the jokes and use this as a platform to speak out against the media. Maybe what Felix did isn't 100% okay but a news source taking it completely out of context is completely not okay. And obviously it wasn't just a single news source, it was most of the popular ones. As he says in the video if it was The Sun then yeah, garbage paper anyway. Glad to see lots of people who don't like PewDiePie saying this is s***ty of the media. I wonder if the people who write these articles feel good about themselves? Edited by Steve, Feb 16 2017, 05:34 PM.
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Feb 16 2017, 05:55 PM Post #56 |
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I don't know what more he could possibly say. If people are still upset about him after all this, then they need to find other things to be mad about. You know, like actual racism and hatred. Lol @ JK Rowling |
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| + Steve | Feb 16 2017, 06:14 PM Post #57 |
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That one surprised me, thought she would be smarter than to not read in to it at all. I still don't understand how this is such a big deal though, it's not like anti-semitic imagery has been dormant for years or anything it's in TV shows all the time, no outrage, comedians make jokes about it all the time, that's fine. PewDiePie for some reason isn't allowed to make similar jokes, as if he's under contract to be as safe as the Teletubbies. Is there an episode of South Park where Cartman doesn't s*** talk Kyle for being a Jew? Of course he's a fictional character but can't see how fiction couldn't be spun to say the creators of it are anti-semitic/racist etc etc That show is ancient now and still has that kind of stuff in it, totally fine. I guess the media is only brave enough to try take down the little guy but it's probably going to backfire in this case with the support the internet can give. |
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| + Ginyu | Feb 16 2017, 06:22 PM Post #58 |
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Did the video just get deleted? I saw it this afternoon and it's gone now. |
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| Sam | Feb 16 2017, 06:27 PM Post #59 |
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.
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Disney dropping someone for anti-semitism? That's rich. I barely know a thing about PewDiePie nor have I seen any of his videos. But Disney can do what they want with him - it's his contract.
100% truth. I personally don't find this all that funny - there's a line with all types of offensive stereotypes especially when you're a public figure though. Hell, I thought kids mostly watched PewDiePie. Why would he be making anti-Semitic jokes? Paid two Indian men to hold up a sign saying 'kill all the Jews'? That's some twisted, dark comedy right there if that's an attempt at "comedy". But I'm not so familiar with him. I rarely watch "Let's Play" videos and have never seen a stream in my life. Meh... I went through some of the material, his reaction video. He made some mistakes. I actually don't think this guy is a racist. I just don't get that vibe. He deserves the severed ties with Disney and YouTube. But to try to shut down his livelihood? A whole lot of hyperbole going on right here and misinformation. This definitely is a non-issue to me. We have better things to worry about. He was punished for his - as he admits - poor decision making - and he certainly isn't a part of some neo-Nazi movement that is creating real trouble. I have to give some begrudging respect for Felix here as I'll call him since his online persona and what he does "for a living" are just irritating to me. He owned up to it. He gave proof he wasn't some Nazi. He spoke out against the Nazi behavior from the trolls and extremists. He showed how the Wall Street Journal wasn't covering the whole story and was able to actually give himself a legit defense. Props. I didn't think he was talented enough to do that on his own behalf. He made mistakes. He's paid big for them. What else is there to do or say? Edited by Sam, Feb 16 2017, 07:06 PM.
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| + Steve | Feb 16 2017, 07:09 PM Post #60 |
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I don't believe so, he hasn't mentioned that on Twitter or anything. Still there for me right now. I wonder if YouTube would go as far as deleting some of his videos themselves, that would really piss people off.
That's a bit of a common misconception, I mean kids do watch the channel of course but the content is aimed at say at least 16+, it's a lot more adult than people seem to think. It's not a kids show at all but that doesn't mean it's mature either. A lot of people seem to say he shouldn't have humour like this if kids watch it but...well GTA shouldn't have guns and murder in it if kids are going to play it. Not really PewDiePie's fault if parents don't monitor their kids viewing habits.
The message he paid them to say was "Death to all Jews, subscribe to Keemstar" Keemstar is this other YouTuber that is...rather controversial on the site, he's part of a YouTube news channel that talks about the latest goings on around the site, like if people are fighting, getting arrested etc etc He's a total a***** and has used his influence to get people swatted, doxxed (IIRC), he's called people the N word while livestreaming and has generally just kind of attacked people on the site a lot. To the point where one guy went a bit crazy because he was being called a paedophile due to things Keemstar had said. So the joke there, which even PewDiePie admits went a bit too far, is that Keemstar is a complete prick, practically the Hitler of YouTube. The dude has actually ruined lives. Ironically even Keemstar has defended PewDiePie over this situation It's also kind of funny that they distance themselves from Felix and criticise his actions but still allow Keemstar and others like him on the website... |
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