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Pewdiepie: Anti-Semitic Jokes Gone Too Far?
Topic Started: Feb 14 2017, 04:31 PM (2,908 Views)
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Feb 15 2017, 09:04 AM
Who'll find it funny beyond the initial moment of shock? Comedians who use shock humour normally have some solid basis for their jokes, they'll make incredibly offensive jokes with the intention of commenting on a situation, or there'll be a lot of set-up.

What was the basis here? ''Look what signs people will hold up.''?

''Look how crazy some people can be?''

It's an incredibly weak basis, and even people who find shock humour from comedians funny likely wouldn't find it funny purely because the shock value is all it has. It has nothing past that. So to justify holding up signs like that and potentially influencing a portion of his fanbase as ''it's just a joke guys, c'mon'' is ridiculous. That's seriously the worst justification I've ever heard.
Your whole post is YOUR opinion. Comedy is suggestive.

I know women who held up signs during women march stating worse things than what u suggested. Why? For the ironic value. Even so, if a man help up that sign I know plenty people who would laugh, and then be like "damn son that was messed up, but funny xDDD"

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Comedians who use shock humour normally have some solid basis for their jokes, they'll make incredibly offensive jokes with the intention of commenting on a situation, or there'll be a lot of set-up.


mine--> "I have been to numerous live stand-ups where many comedians also go for that "WOW OMG did he just that??" style of comedy but their jokes are written, and well thought out well before they say it, so they usually lead to an ironic point. The point I'm making is that just because Pewds joke was rash, and on the spot doesn't make his style any more viable than anyone else's."


Comedy along with every other art form is suggestive, and someone somewhere will like it. You might not tho, beautiful isn't it.

Edited by Know'm Sayin', Feb 15 2017, 09:29 AM.
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I have to agree with Know'm Sayin'. There are people who find that funny. Period. There's no point questioning it's comedic worth because comedy is subjective. There are some YouTubers out there who I have no idea how they're considered funny. They just shout and swear and react way over the top. But at no point do I think 'I don't find it funny, therefore it is not funny and nobody should find it funny'. It's just not what I find funny. I also don't get the whole 'if you find that funny, it doesn't reflect well on you' mantra. Why judge people for an involuntary reaction? To me, it doesn't reflect well on people when they act all high and mighty because the thing they involuntarily laugh at is so much funnier and less crass than the thing somebody else involuntarily laughs at.

Also, people saying it's just shock value with no point, he declared his point: to show the crazy stuff available with a click of a button and a little bit of money. Sure, he could have made that point without the shock and awe, but newsflash, so can every other comedian that uses 'insensitive' material. That's where the different styles of comedy come in. You don't have to like it (like I mentioned before, I do not find it funny), but you do have to acknowledge that that doesn't make it not funny, just not funny to you.

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So to justify holding up signs like that and potentially influencing a portion of his fanbase as ''it's just a joke guys, c'mon'' is ridiculous. That's seriously the worst justification I've ever heard.

Edit: Also, I agree with your sentiment here. He has an audience and sponsorship commitments to think about, so while I do believe anything is fair game comedy-wise, in this particular example it's about more than the joke. If he had done it in private, or had already established an audience of older, less impressionable viewers, and wasn't attached to a company primarily aimed at younger generations, then yeah, it's just a joke. But he's not, so it's not.
Edited by Mitas, Feb 15 2017, 09:56 AM.
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For anyone that didn't watch the video OFG posted(I think, on phone and can't check) it adds context I actually forgot...

The message wasn't "Death to all Jews"

It was "Death to all Jews, subscribe to Keemstar"

Which just proves that it's completely stupid to take the context out of YouTube, everyone who's watched the channel knows who Keemstar is and what that message would be about.

He's frequently considered the villain of YouTube.


The whole thing is idiotic, yes maybe Felix went a touch too far but that doesn't mean the media can just take things he's said put of context and call him something he isn't.

That's just...disgusting.

Whether you like Felix or not I think this should be an opportunity for people to speak out against s***ty "journalism" and completely fake news. It's madness that crap like this still happens and once they all join in the media outlets always get away with it.


If journalists don't have the attention span to watch a ten minute video or the morality to not take things out of context...why do we let them manipulate people?
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1. This isn't censorship. The only videos that were taken down were the ones that were taken down by PewDiePie himself. The rest are still up there. He's lost his partnership with Disney. Sure, a bad outcome for him I imagine but no one is stopping him from saying what he wants. Freedom of speech =/= freedom from the consequences of speech. People can say what they want and other people can respond to that speech how they want. It goes both ways. I wouldn't support his videos getting removed.

2. On the whole, the media is not calling him a nazi. I've had a look through most of the big news sources articles about this, most of them refer to things like "nazi imagery" "videos featuring anti-Semetic jokes" etc. which is what is in those videos. Most of them also include PewDiePie's own response that he put on his tumblr. The only place I can see that's actually calling him a nazi is the Daily Stormer, but they're so pathetic and desperate to believe that anyone worthwhile actually supports their views that they'll jump on anything. Maybe some really left wing places are calling him that but everyone knows those places are s*** anyway and there's bigger things to call them out on than this.

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Damn, kinda disappointed how shallow Ethan's analysis of this is having watched it. He's actually misrepresenting what those news reports are saying. He's saying that they are calling PewDiePie an anti-Semite, which they are not. They are saying that some of his videos have had anti-Semetic messages (which they have) and nazi imagery (which they have). And they included PewDiePie's own words he defended himself with in the articles.

Edit2: CaseyNeistat has a good video on it:

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It doesn't matter what most of them include in their articles because people just read their clickbait titles and take that as the general information they need on the matter.

"When did fascism become so cool? PewDiePie's antics are the thin end of the wedge
A white guy with a net worth of $124m making poor brown people hold up a sign calling for genocide is pure banter, isn’t it?"

Is what The Independant has to say, yes I know they're terrible but people still listen to them at the end of the day.


Basically all of them describe the videos as "Anti-Semitic" in the title which is pure false information, even if they go on to defend PewDiePie titles saying that do enough damage.

All many people read is "PewDiePie is Anti-Semitic"


And then you get crap like this in the actual articles:

"Kjellberg “showed a clip from a Hitler speech in a Sept. 24 video criticizing a YouTube policy, posted swastikas drawn by his fans on Oct. 15 and watched a Hitler video in a brown military uniform to conclude a Dec. 8 video,” the Journal reported. The newspaper also noted that he played the Nazi Party anthem in a Jan. 14 video before he bowed “to swastika in a mock resurrection ritual”; in a Feb. 5 video, Kjellberg gave a “very brief Nazi salute with a Hitler voice-over saying ‘Sieg Heil’ and the text ‘Nazi Confirmed.’ ”"


The bit where he was in uniform listening to Hitler speeches was in a skit where he was joking about being racist in a video, because media outlets were posting articles saying he is racist, it was a joke on how they make people see him...
And then they go and use the images from that video to try push their points forward, as if Felix was genuinely worshipping Hitler.

The video in question:




If you watch from 9:50 you get what was going on but most media outlets only say "PewDiePie wore a Nazi uniform and played a Hitler speech in a video!"

I don't see how anyone can support reporting false news like that, nobody deserves to be treated like this.


Again it's fine that Disney might want to cut ties with him, it's frankly strange that they would have ties with him anyway...have any of them even watched the channel? He's not a child friendly Disney character, all they saw is money.
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It's all about context. I didn't remember this until I watched h3's video, but Felix said "Death to all Jews, subscribe to Keemstar," making fun of the fact that Keemstar is the most notorious racist on youtube.

So if someone were to hold up a sign that said something about women being objects for pleasure, "subscribe to Keemstar," and Keemstar happened to be a well-known misogynist, I would probably laugh.

All that aside, we have another textbook case of white media defending a minority group that isn't actually offended. I don't find anything offensive really, and I laugh at a lot of messed up crap, but I also acknowledge that other people may be offended by things. In this case, we don't see any Jews crying out. We see white media crying out for them. It's a lot like using the n-word. Who gets pissed off when we use it? Other white people, standing up for people who aren't usually offended by it. When we make a big deal out of these things, we aren't really treating minority groups like equal people. We're treating them like fragile glass sculptures--objects to look at and protect, but never to touch.
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So because Jewish communities haven't had a publicised reaction to it yet, they aren't offended? A little soon to say that they aren't offended, isn't it?

And I mean, look how Pewdiepie himself reacted afterwards;

"So that's Fiverr. What an experience. Wow. I didn't expect that. I don't feel great about this. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. I don't know what else to say."

Assuming he was genuine, he thinks that it was wrong, but was still fine putting it up on his channel and monetising it?
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Well he didn't realize people would actually get banned for doing it, definitely a failing on his part but that doesn't justify the slander going around to his name does it?

Especially not when he was trying to fix it, he contacted Fiverr trying to get the people unbanned since he knew it was his fault and they weren't very cooperative about it they just said stuff like "We don't comment on individual cases"

If he had been like "Ha, idiots they shouldn't have done what I asked it's their own fault!" nobody would be defending him. He knew he made a mistake once they unrolled that bit of paper and he's never denied that.


Also it's been over a month since the "Death to all Jews" thing and even longer since the other Anti-Semitic imagery, Jewish people have had plenty of time to get upset over this yet there's no mass outrage.


PewDiePie making jokes like this, distasteful or not, is no different than the likes of Family Guy and South Park who do it all the time and have done for years...yet PewDiePie is being held to a completely different standard for...reasons?
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So because Jewish communities haven't had a publicised reaction to it yet, they aren't offended? A little soon to say that they aren't offended, isn't it?

Well, considering Ethan and Hila are both Jewish (Hila being from Israel), and that's the only Jewish reaction we've seen so far, I'd say it's more likely that this isn't something to get offended over. Like Ethan said in his video, overreacting to something like this is ignoring the actual racism and antisemitism that has recently become prevalent again in our society.

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And I mean, look how Pewdiepie himself reacted afterwards;

"So that's Fiverr. What an experience. Wow. I didn't expect that. I don't feel great about this. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. I don't know what else to say."

He reacted that way because people got banned because of it. Even Jesus guy got banned, and I personally found his video hilarious. He wasn't apologizing because of the joke itself, although I do think he understands that he took it a little too far. No one is arguing against that fact. "Too far" being the media got ahold of it and Disney revoked his rights.

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Assuming he was genuine, he thinks that it was wrong, but was still fine putting it up on his channel and monetising it?

He took down those videos, so I don't understand this point. He took them down before he made the video that you're referring to.
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No, that was after he got them to do it, before any of this blew up. Once they finished doing what he asked, he made that statement, so it's before anybody got banned.

Why did he upload them in the first place if he was 'so sorry' about it and didn't feel great about what he'd done?
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Oh okay, I see what you're talking about. I'll have to rewatch that video to get the proper context, but I don't think he expected them to actually do it. That's what made it funny for some people.
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Are we seriously doing the "I have a minority friend, it's okay" defense?
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Are we seriously doing the "I have a minority friend, it's okay" defense?
Where was that defense?
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Is that in reference to H3H3?

Because Ethan Klein made a video about the whole thing and he's on Felix's side here, not because they're friends but because he's well informed.

Even he said it was a touch too far, so it's not like he's blindly defending him.
The people who are outraged are either classic examples of white guilt, don't like PewDiePie anyway, are misinformed or want to make money out of the whole thing.

As I said before this kind of thing has been on the channel long before and there's never been outrage over it, the only reason there is now is because media outlets know they can make money off of slandering PewDiePie since at this point he's practically level with an actor in fame/recognition.
You won't have heard about when people were calling him a paedophile, where was all the outrage then?

Excuse me if I have trouble believing media sources actually looked in to it and concluded the claims were bulls*** and were nice enough to not slander his name.
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I'm not sure why I feel the need to weigh in on this, but apparently I do, and apparently I shall.

Despite having absolutely no interest in Pewdiepie, I decided to watch the the video everyone is talking about, and, whether any of you actually found it funny or not, there is an inherent humour to it.

He tells someone willing to do "anything crazy" to drink bleach; he elsewhere gets someone pretending to be Jesus to say that the one person most would seemingly deem the "anti-Christ", did "nothing wrong"; he asks someone if they can play some other game, when they advertise they will play Hearthstone specifically; and he tells people who offer to hold up a sign "saying anything" to hold up what he ostensibly believes to be a sign too absurd and ridiculous for them to actually hold up - with a supposed dig at some other Youtuber.

The absurdity of his requests is apparent, and he seemingly expects most of them to be rejected as though it were the most obvious thing to expect. When he's shocked to see them actually hold up the sign, he later moans in humorous disbelief—pointing out the irony—that, "the b**** wouldn't play Roblox with me... but these guys..."

Which I found wryly amusing, too. I even briefly giggled - if you can believe me capable of such a thing.

There's this other problem people have that he should "know better" because he happens to have a young audience or something. I vehemently disagree. Your opinions on the "responsibilities of fame" shouldn't shackle and chain someone from putting out the thing they want to put out, or speaking their own mind. They're free to pursue whatever audience and create any content they want, and it's not their fault, nor should it be their binding, for the kinds of people that happen to watch them. In this case, young people. And if some imbecile doesn't see that he thought "kill all Jews" was an inherently ridiculous statement—and therefore not something to be taken seriously, so in some way actually mocking anyone who would—then that is a problem with those people. He himself isn't actioning or condoning anti-Semitism in any way shape or form, so he hasn't done anything wrong as far as I'm concerned.

Of course it goes without saying that Disney and Youtube were well within their rights to want to distance themselves from any controversy associated with him, but the "controversy" itself is really rather pathetic.

Pewdiepie is guilty of a plethora of intolerable things, but this isn't one of them.
Edited by Sandy Shore, Feb 15 2017, 04:54 PM.
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