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Pewdiepie: Anti-Semitic Jokes Gone Too Far?
Topic Started: Feb 14 2017, 04:31 PM (2,909 Views)
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I spoke about this on the discord server but the deliberate choice to use "Death to all Jews" was utterly idiotic. It was surely going to result in this kind of repurcussion, not to mention that this ended up getting the people involved fired, the two Indian men apparently not understanding English enough to know what it meant. Thankfully, PDP reportedly reimbursed them some amount and iirc they've been re-hired by the service.

If he had chosen something that could be seen as somewhat more relatable to everyone and wasn't le edgy like I don't know, "we're thicc and waiting to be hit" or something to that degree it probably would've been just as funny. Appealing to an edgy demographic generally tends to just lead to more vitriolic communities in general. Reddit is a good example of this in action, you need only look to any of the myriad subreddits that once may have started alright, but devolved into sometimes straight up racial supremacy or neo-nazism lol.

It wouldn't surprise me if Disney just didn't want to be associated with PDP going further down the line if his humour is just going to be appealing to the edgy types.
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@Drew and some others:

It's "funny" to his viewers because Hitler/pseudo-nazism are both memes on Pewdiepie's channel, meaning he refers to those subjects frequently in a joking fashion, usually to poke fun at other people. It wouldn't be as funny to someone whose only experience with PDP was this one video since it's been a meme for a while now.

That being said, it doesn't change the fact that the entire meme is an attempt to be edgy, and an over-attempt at comedy.
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Yeah the problem with this whole outrage is that people are pushing PewDiePie's channel out to places it's not trying to reach, of course not everyone finds edgy humour funny but PewDiePie isn't trying to entertain everyone and he doesn't have to.

I'm sure there's a community of people out there who absolutely love fart jokes but if they started trying to tell everyone else how funny fart jokes are nobody would get it and would have many reasons why they don't find it funny.


It's perfectly fine for people to not agree with this side of PewDiePie's channel but it's not like it came out of nowhere, the media just picked up that they can use his name for clicks and that's basically the only reason anyone outside of YouTube heard of this(before the Disney thing, obviously bigger news)


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I spoke about this on the discord server but the deliberate choice to use "Death to all Jews" was utterly idiotic. It was surely going to result in this kind of repurcussion, not to mention that this ended up getting the people involved fired, the two Indian men apparently not understanding English enough to know what it meant. Thankfully, PDP reportedly reimbursed them some amount and iirc they've been re-hired by the service.


That's not really the case though, if you were to go through his videos you'd find dozens of insensitive seeming jokes anyone could s*** out an article over. There's been no repercussions to most of his humour because it's controlled within the community, Reddit and other such sites are just an unfiltered stewing pot of negativity and pure hatred.


Like with Felix's friend Michael, it's a running joke in the channel that Felix treats him like s*** and generally calls him "The Romanian" but the fanbase all know he loves the guy really.
Someone could easily take those jokes out of context and say Felix hates Romanians and try to say he genuinely treats Michael like a lesser person.


Obviously there were some unfortunately big repercussions to this recent event but Felix took responsibility for it and the people that run Fiverr were not helpful at all, they temporarily banned people that Felix paid to do things...even if they were completely harmless.

Likely an unfortunate consequence of the people who own Fiverr being Jewish and not taking it so well given the nature of what was said.


As for YouTube not liking PewDiePie so much I don't think they ever have, probably because they can't control him and he speaks out against them and their frequently inadequate service. It's testament to his character that they don't like him really, they can't pay him to lie for them and say YouTube is the perfect website.
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The big problem with stuff like this is that it normalises this kind of behaviour and way of thinking. Sure, it's just a joke and I get that. He doesn't actually mean what he says and I believe that. But there are people out there that think that way and these jokes sort of validate their way of thinking. Becoming desensitised to this kind of thing is not the positive some claim. Because it then lowers the bar for what's acceptable to say. I feel like we've regressed a little when it comes to racism over the last few years. I think, in part, some of that blame falls on people who rely on things like race and Nazism as a crutch when trying to deliver edgy humour. Whether you mean to or not, you're putting the idea out there and you have no control over how people respond to it.

As for Disney's response, I get it. Due to their history they are pretty sensitive when it comes to anti-Semitism and Nazi links.
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But there are people out there that think that way and these jokes sort of validate their way of thinking.


Those people are idiots and will feel that way no matter what though. I doubt any anti-Semitic, racist and what have you's truly feel validated by dumb jokes PewDiePie says when they're already ignorant a*****.

The kind of people who think that way are usually the kind of people who mindlessly hate on PewDiePie anyway.

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Becoming desensitised to this kind of thing is not the positive some claim. Because it then lowers the bar for what's acceptable to say.


It only does that when people let it, all people need to learn is in what contexts these things are okay to say. Okay but still not tasteful that is.
Telling people they absolutely should not say any of these horrible nasty words or phrases ever merely encourages them to lash out and do it more.


I agree that it's pretty easy and cheap humour but if people didn't react to it so much then it wouldn't be much of an issue would it?
So long as people understand the difference between being dumb and actually spreading hate messages then desensitising everyone seems like a good thing.

Fault lies on both sides here, if people didn't get het up over these things then people wouldn't want to poke the bear so much.


I've long lost count of how many "Bush did 9/11" or "Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams" comments I've seen on social media that generate huuuge long arguments with thousands of replies of angry people, people making them angry on purpose and then people debating the conspiracy.
Or "Women belong in the kitchen" on anything related to feminism or generally women.

Because it's possible to type like five words on the internet and have thousands of people go mental over it is why it happens, trying to shut everyone up only makes it worse.
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From ya boy Ethan:

https://youtu.be/JLNSiFrS3n4
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^^^ I couldn't watch that for more than 20 seconds >.<


Racial humor is all about timing and knowing you're with the right people when you throw out a joke.

Throwing those jokes out in your YouTube stream when you're one of the most famous YouTubers is not the right time for that.
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There's no joke there, just being edgy for edge's sake. He played the fool and suffered the consequences of it, that's all there is to it.
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Censorship is never the answer in my opinion. With proper context there was nothing wrong with his video, not even the biggest alt-right idiot would see PewDiePie as a Nazi. If anyone is promoting neo-nazism it's the media for accusing PewDiePie of it and thus making it seem like it's a mainstream idea to be antisemitic.
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It's become so easy to use "comedy" as kind of an outlet to say things that one wouldn't normally say. One of the biggest problems I feel is that people who try to use such insensitive remarks, even if they don't mean it, is that they don't add it to anything. If your going to say something insensitive as a joke and not mean it, you need to direct that joke to a point. A point that easily says this is sarcastic, satirical, etc.

You might watch something like "The Daily Show" and perhaps not necessarily insensitive, but they'll throw some shade at people or ideologies. However, they will play it in a way that the viewer knows that the idea of these jokes is to make a point and to show a bigger picture.

There is absolutely no reason to use insensitivity as a mere shock value to become a joke. If your going to treat something that a lot of people find very serious in a tasteless manner, it's not going to look good on you.
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I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting that he's actually a Nazi, that's ridiculous. It's just that what he did wasn't a joke and isn't really 'funny' by any metric.
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Come on, that's a massive cop-out and you know it.

If I held up a sign that read "Women are just objects to be used for pleasure" and said that I did it to show what people would do and what terrible things they'd say, would you also consider that a joke?

People also seem to be conflating freedom of speech with freedom from consequence.
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Feb 15 2017, 07:55 AM
It's become so easy to use "comedy" as kind of an outlet to say things that one wouldn't normally say. One of the biggest problems I feel is that people who try to use such insensitive remarks, even if they don't mean it, is that they don't add it to anything. If your going to say something insensitive as a joke and not mean it, you need to direct that joke to a point. A point that easily says this is sarcastic, satirical, etc.

You might watch something like "The Daily Show" and perhaps not necessarily insensitive, but they'll throw some shade at people or ideologies. However, they will play it in a way that the viewer knows that the idea of these jokes is to make a point and to show a bigger picture.

There is absolutely no reason to use insensitivity as a mere shock value to become a joke. If your going to treat something that a lot of people find very serious in a tasteless manner, it's not going to look good on you.
That way of thinking when it comes to comedy is GROSS, first of all 'comedy' is a base and and it has many different genres having "shock and awe" as one of the genres, which it caters to a certain audience, but you are implying that all comedy should be vanilla and only go so far as to throw a "a jab" lmao

Sure pewds joke was in bad taste, but it was also on the spot and intentionally fishing for the Shock and Awe crowd. Unlike pewds tho I have been to numerous live stand-ups where many comedians also go for that "WOW OMG did he just that??" style of comedy but their jokes are written, and well thought out well before they say it, so they usually lead to an ironic point. The point I'm making is that just because Pewds joke was rash, and on the spot doesn't make his style any more viable than anyone else's.

You don't like him, don't watch.
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Come on, that's a massive cop-out and you know it.

If I held up a sign that read "Women are just objects to be used for pleasure" and said that I did it to show what people would do and what terrible things they'd say, would you also consider that a joke?

People also seem to be conflating freedom of speech with freedom from consequence.
WOAH WOAH WOAH, see my post below. As harsh as it may seem you can hold that sign and some people will find it funny for whatever reason. Hell, some people might even find it Ironic.

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"People also seem to be conflating freedom of speech with freedom from consequence."

Nope, I never stated such a thing, and if I ever yelled out "I hate black people" at my work site I full hardheartedly expect to be fired.

I believe anyone has the right to say whatever they want, but to fully expect consequences measuring the severity of whatever they said. EZ PZ
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Who'll find it funny beyond the initial moment of shock? Comedians who use shock humour normally have some solid basis for their jokes, they'll make incredibly offensive jokes with the intention of commenting on a situation, or there'll be a lot of set-up.

What was the basis here? ''Look what signs people will hold up.''?

''Look how crazy some people can be?''

It's an incredibly weak basis, and even people who find shock humour from comedians funny likely wouldn't find it funny purely because the shock value is all it has. It has nothing past that. So to justify holding up signs like that and potentially influencing a portion of his fanbase as ''it's just a joke guys, c'mon'' is ridiculous. That's seriously the worst justification I've ever heard.
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