SSJ2 Goku (Frieza Saga) vs SSJ Trunks (Android Saga)

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SSJ2 Goku (Frieza Saga) vs SSJ Trunks (Android Saga)
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ahill1	Feb 13 2017, 10:43 PM Post #31
Posts: 759 Group: Member Member #12,438 Joined: June 29, 2015 Gender Not Specified Country Egypt Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? the best Favourite Manga HxH	SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Doesn't mean anything. You're just playing with the words. You can't define what "fairly well" means to Trunks. Fairly well means he can be somewhat competitive, that is, a non ass-kick gap. It means he could put up a decent fight. It's clearly different from being hugely weaker than someone, as Trunks stated after his first fight with them. Quote: He could fight them "fairly well" compared to the ones that one shotted him. Except he didn't say fairly well compared to these ones. If that was the case, he could've just said that, but he said he could fight reasonably, which isn't really the same thing. Getting destroyed in a fight isn't fighting fairly well. Quote: Those 2 statements don't clash in any way They do, unless you think this makes sense: "Thy were still hugely stronger than me, but I could still fight fairly well". Quote: Mecha arc Trunks is the same as Android arc Trunks. Then keep deceiving yourself. Edited by ahill1, Feb 13 2017, 10:44 PM.



SuperSaiyanGodGogeta	Feb 13 2017, 10:53 PM Post #32
Posts: 1,228 Group: Member Member #11,951 Joined: December 29, 2014 Gender Male	No, that's just your definition of what Trunks meant. You don't know what Trunks means when he says "fairly well". And there isn't any implication that he even fought the Androids again after going back to the past for the 1st time. "They were a lot stronger than him, but he could still fight them fairly well, unlike the ones in the present." Not seeing how any of that clashes, but you're allowed to delude yourself as you like. Lying about the implications of Trunks' relatively cryptic statement isn't going to prove your point.
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Slifer	Feb 13 2017, 10:56 PM Post #33
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	If I tell someone: "The gap between two Brock Lesnar's and I in a 2v1 fight is huge. I was lucky to make it out alive." Then three years later I tell them: "I can fight them fairly well." Anyone with even the slightest shred of common sense would think I improved. It'd take a special kind of denial to say otherwise.



SuperSaiyanGodGogeta	Feb 13 2017, 11:04 PM Post #34
Posts: 1,228 Group: Member Member #11,951 Joined: December 29, 2014 Gender Male	No, you're twisting the statement to fit you're agenda. The Androids being a lot stronger than Trunks doesn't mean that he can't fight them "fairly well", whatever that means to him. "Fairly well" to Trunks could mean getting a hit in, stalling them and managing to get away. The casual reader that isn't grasping at straws isn't going to come to the conclusion that Trunks somehow got massively stronger. The thought wouldn't even enter their mind.
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TheACE	Feb 13 2017, 11:13 PM Post #35
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	SuperSaiyanGodGogeta Feb 13 2017, 09:53 PM Doesn't mean anything. You're just playing with the words. You can't define what "fairly well" means to Trunks. He could fight them "fairly well" compared to the ones that one shotted him. Those 2 statements don't clash in any way and the narrative doesn't hint at Trunks being much stronger in the Android arc if any at all. Mecha arc Trunks is the same as Android arc Trunks. Well, aside fro. The actual proof and scans given by other members. The fact that Trunks even bothered to come back at all to try and help was a big deal. If we really wanna be lazy i can cite how much plot Trunks have, which is sufficient enough for him to be stronger. Alternately the fact that Piccolo, Vegeta and him are all lumped in the same category of Super Saiyan level characters means that his power level wouldn't be much different than Vegeta or Goku's by that time. Unless you frankly believe that Goku, who held a vague edge over Trunks when Frieza returned, was actually massively outclassed by a clearly stronger Trunks... Which could possibly be true, Goku even noticed that Trunks "Wasn't really trying" or "Didn't put his heart into it." when they fought. But the likelyhood is very low.
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SuperSaiyanGodGogeta	Feb 13 2017, 11:20 PM Post #36
Posts: 1,228 Group: Member Member #11,951 Joined: December 29, 2014 Gender Male	Nobody has posted any proof of Trunks getting stronger by any significant amount. None of Trunks' statements clash beyond a reasonable doubt unless you're reaching an insane amount or trying to define in exact terms what Trunks meant by "fairly well", which is pure conjecture and nothing more. Android arc SSJ Vegeta>Android arc SSJ Goku>Yardrat Goku>SSJ Trunks That's the hierarchy given. Yardrat Goku has moderate gap on Trunks and the Android arc SSJ's are moderately stronger than Yardrat Goku. The Android arc SSJ's are a lot stronger than Trunks. The only reason they're "grouped together" is because they are all SSJ's that are far above anyone else. Edited by SuperSaiyanGodGogeta, Feb 13 2017, 11:20 PM.
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ahill1	Feb 13 2017, 11:29 PM Post #37
Posts: 759 Group: Member Member #12,438 Joined: June 29, 2015 Gender Not Specified Country Egypt Favourite Anime HxH What Browser do you use? the best Favourite Manga HxH	SuperSaiyanGod No, that's just your definition of what Trunks meant. You don't know what Trunks means when he says "fairly well". There's no reason to think Trunks meant something different from what it means. I could also say Trunks meant something other than being greatly outclassed when he said he was hugely weaker than them, as well as I could say it to anything other characters have said something pertaining to one's gap. Doesn't change the fact that it's unnecessary assumption, without any basis behind it. Fairly well means exactly what it means. Quote: And there isn't any implication that he even fought the Androids again after going back to the past for the 1st time. After seeing Trunks again, Mirai #17 says "are you not tired of your futiles effort, Trunks?", which hardly makes sense if there was only one fight between them: Quote: "They were a lot stronger than him, but he could still fight them fairly well, unlike the ones in the present." Problem is, "being a lot weaker" doesn't work together with "fighting fairly well", at least not in a manga centred to power. Quote: but you're allowed to delude yourself as you like. Lying about the implications of Trunks' relatively cryptic statement isn't going to prove your point. Sorry, but you are the one deluding yourself. I am going exactly by what Trunks says, while you are assuming Trunks meant something different other than what the line means by... whatever reason.



Slifer	Feb 13 2017, 11:32 PM Post #38
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	Quote: No, you're twisting the statement to fit you're agenda. Oh the irony. Quote: The Androids being a lot stronger than Trunks doesn't mean that he can't fight them "fairly well", whatever that means to him It actually does, otherwise he would've said something to that nature in the first place instead of "I'm a joke to them and it's a miracle I'm here talking to you". You assuming Trunks has some alternate, otherworldly meaning to fit your agenda is completely baseless. Quote: The casual reader that isn't grasping at straws isn't going to come to the conclusion that Trunks somehow got massively stronger. The thought wouldn't even enter their mind. The casual reader also isn't going to think Vegeta got a lot stronger during his 2nd RoSaT trip before the Cell Games because it wasn't really shown, but he did. Most here aren't casuals readers and are capable enough to fill in the blanks with logical conclusions based on the material we're given. We don't need the George Lucas Effect where every damn thing has to be told directly to us in the most blatant way possible or else we won't understand. Although there's not really a blank to be filled here. Trunks getting stronger is pretty black and white. If you can't understand the contrast between "huge difference" and "fairly well" without making some wild assumption, then that's your problem. Edited by Slifer, Feb 13 2017, 11:36 PM.



SSJ	Feb 13 2017, 11:37 PM Post #39
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	This is some low tier trolling. Just my two cents here, but you guys should be able to see you won't get anywhere with this, it's just wasting your time.



SuperSaiyanGodGogeta	Feb 13 2017, 11:40 PM Post #40
Posts: 1,228 Group: Member Member #11,951 Joined: December 29, 2014 Gender Male	@ahill No, you made up you're own definition about what "fairly well" means and passing it off as fact. "Fairly well" doesn't equate to competitive. It doesn't even imply that they aren't a lot stronger than him. That's just you're bias talking. You're making assumptions about 17's statement. His statement doesn't imply he fought them again. @slifer No, the Androids being a lot stronger than Trunks doesn't mean that he can't fight them "fairly well". Them almost killing him doesn't mean that he couldn't put up a fight. That's just an assumption on your part to fulfill your agenda. Edited by SuperSaiyanGodGogeta, Feb 13 2017, 11:44 PM.
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Slifer	Feb 13 2017, 11:43 PM Post #41
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	I Banged Sam Feb 13 2017, 11:37 PM This is some low tier trolling. Just my two cents here, but you guys should be able to see you won't get anywhere with this, it's just wasting your time. I know. It's generally pretty tame here but every time a war breaks out, there's a common denominator that's smack in the middle of it. We're better off ignoring it because taking the bait is a recipe for madness every time.



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