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How strong do you have Tien, Yamcha and Chaotzu post-King Kai?
Topic Started: Feb 12 2017, 02:54 PM (571 Views)
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I am very interested in pinning down roughly how strong the humans were after King Kai's training. Here are my numbers:

Tien (Post King Kai's Training)56,160
Yamcha (Post King Kai's Training)26,428
Chaotzu (Post King Kai's Training)15,234

Goku trained on King Kai's planet for roughly 5 months and increased his power level by 20x.

Tien and Chaotzu trained there for 9 months. Tien was determined to surpass Goku and was very committed back then, so a 36x boost makes sense. I give Chaotzu a 18x boost, with his training being exactly half as efficient as Tien due to him not being much of a fighter and Tien leaving Chaotzu behind in the Android saga because he "wasn't strong enough", indicating a longstanding deficit. Yamcha was there for 5 months too, so he also gets a 20x boost.

What are your thoughts on these levels, and what are yours?
Edited by Dear Leader, Feb 12 2017, 03:01 PM.
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Tenshinhan: 25,000-100,000
Yamcha: 15,000-60,000
Chaozu: 5,000-25,000

I don't base their results on Goku's anymore because they're not Goku, they all have each other (and training with partners has normally been touted as better than training solo), and "training gains are not consistent."
Edited by Pyrus, Feb 12 2017, 10:23 PM.
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I don't mind having the humans in the low 100k Post-Kai training, because it doesn't contradict anything in the series. Everybody else is way stronger at that point.

Tenshinhan at most 200k, Yamcha at 100k-150k, Chaozu at 50k-100k. I don't mind them being lower either.
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Cool, guys. :yay:

I would like to expand the scope of this topic to include how strong you guys think the humans were in the Android saga. I don't think making a new thread would be necessary.

We know that doing the same training gives diminished gains (see Vegeta and Trunks entering the ROAST BEEF for the second time and not even doubling their power) and that the humans did nothing but Earth training.

I'm gonna give Tien and Chaotzu a 1.1x increase every year, because they sparred. Yamcha gets 1.08x. After 3 years of gruelling training, we get:

Tien (Android Saga)74,748
Yamcha (Android Saga)33,291
Chaotzu (Android Saga)20,276

As you can see, Tien is far ahead of the other humans. By the Buu saga, he might be able to manage something against Captain Ginyu. Yamcha is above Saiyan Saga Goku (Kaioken x4), which accounts for Dr. Gero initially mistaking Yamcha for Goku. Not much to say about Chaotzu.

Incidentally, how do some people justify putting the humans in the millions at this point?! Even 1.1x a year is possibly a stretch.
Edited by Dear Leader, Feb 16 2017, 07:21 PM.
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Recently I have new levels:
Krillin- 75,000
Yamcha- 71,483
Tien- 74,210
Chiaotzu- 31,270

Put Krillin's just for comparison.
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I justify training gains by the idea that they're not static. If Goku gets 10x stronger his first time training, and then 4x stronger doing the same thing a year later, I'd have no issue with him getting 6x stronger repeating the training another year after. Giving the humans multiple times their previous power isn't farfetched to me when they're implied to be, collectively, around suppressed Piccolo's power.
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I think because of the upcoming time skip; this is probably the easiest period to guess their PL specifically (I have everyone roughly catching up post Android training) as having a gap between them and the Namek 5 is fine.

Tien: 183 000 to 366 000
Yamcha: 148 900 to 333 000
Chiaotzu: 71 000 to 106 500

Edited by Muyasuki, Feb 17 2017, 03:18 AM.
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Tenshinhan: 72,000

Yamcha: 48,000

Chaozu: Who cares?
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