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Attack Potency vs Split Durability
Topic Started: Feb 10 2017, 05:46 PM (3,466 Views)
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His sword turned to stone because wasn't aware of the spit so he didn't try to deflecting it. He did deflect it with his hands though because he knew what the spit does. It doesn't disprove the idea of there being ki in his sword. It's not like the spit just bounces off of ki and that's why his hands didn't turn to stone
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His sword turned to stone because wasn't aware of the spit so he didn't try to deflecting it. He did deflect it with his hands though because he knew what the spit does. It doesn't disprove the idea of there being ki in his sword. It's not like the spit just bounces off of ki and that's why his hands didn't turn to stone
Wait how would he not know about it when he's explicitly been training for that situation? And if it's simply because he's stronger, why wouldn't he infuse his sword with more ki if he was trying to fight Dabura via the sword in question? Especially since he blocks with the sword as well, it's not like he wanted to use his hands for deflecting the spit.
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Idk. I don't remember the whole scene. Maybe because supreme Kai is an idiot sometimes so he didn't tell him lol. That's what happened in the DBS manga at least idk about the anime though

Blocking the spit has never worked. Trunks wasn't just blocking with his hands he was deflecting it

Let me make something clear. I'm not trying to disprove split durability with this. I think that when trunks infuses his ki into his sword it becomes an energy based attack. All I'm trying to prove is that he can infuse ki in his sword
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Idk. I don't remember the whole scene. Maybe because supreme Kai is an idiot sometimes so he didn't tell him lol. That's what happened in the DBS manga at least idk about the anime though

Blocking the spit has never worked. Trunks wasn't just blocking with his hands he was deflecting it

Let me make something clear. I'm not trying to disprove split durability with this. I think that when trunks infuses his ki into his sword it becomes an energy based attack. All I'm trying to prove is that he can infuse ki in his sword
I'm bringing over my other points onto here since there' a good bit more detailed than I posted here.

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I imagine Trunks is either manipulating the ki in his hand or he's stronger than Gohan, either way, Dabura shouldn't be able to just do that if Trunks pretty much knew in advance (given he was trained by kaioshin and presumably isn't stupid enough to not put ki into his sword when he's able to, I think it's fair to say that he knew about that before hand).

There is something special about the craftsmanship iirc, but is it special enough to cleave ssjg Goku in two? Enough to destroy the universe? Also he's fighting with Goku Black and Zamasu, I think he'd try to make sure he had every advantage he could get in any engagement with them considering how he was literally terrorized by Goku Black to the point where he attacked Goku on sight from almost PTSD. Against Dabura, against Black, against Zamasu, he used pretty much everything he had, from training with the kais, to bringing in his friends and straight up ganging up on them, to actually infusing his blade with ki quite visibly.

I really have to question why Trunks would not try to make sure he had every advantage against his enemies when so much is on the line and he's clearly fine with running to ask for help or even using the genki sword to end Zamasu. Compared to all that relying on other people, I don't see any reason Trunks wouldn't infuse as much ki into his sword as he reasonable could (which is enough to get it glowing judging from Zamasu vs Trunks) unless he just plain couldn't.


I will also add that it's implied the entire reason he was able to win was due to the training he got, I think it's safe he was either taught how to deflect the spit, or that he is strong enough to, if it's the former, why didn't he do that with the blade, and if it's the latter, why didn't pump enough ki into the sword since he was trying to kill Dabura?

Why couldn't he just try to deflect it with the sword?

And if no aura means that there is still likely ki in there (or rather, that there is still likely ki infused with it despite a lack of aura), I have to question why Trunks put so relatively little ki in his sword when he threw it at Black considering that it was his last ditch effort to survive. Wouldn't he just pump as much ki as he could?
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I want to agree that he knew of the spit but supreme Kai doesn't have a good enough track record for planning. You can see his facial expression when his sword gets turned to stone. To me it looks like he didn't know about the spit or at least didn't see it coming. That's why he didn't deflect it

As for trunks throwing his sword at goku black without much ki in it...I mean we can't really tell exactly how much Ki is in it based on whether there's an aura around it or not. That was just an idea I had earlier but I realized it wasn't very solid. He was sword fighting with an energy sword and there was no aura but there's obviously still a decent amount of ki in it. He wouldn't put barely any ki into it that's silly. Imo is that the aura around his sword(when it was glowing) against merged zamasu was only because the sword was broken so he used his energy to complete the sword...or something

And I mean...again trunks was sword fighting with zamasu and goku black...without an aura around his sword. There's no way around that. The aura is just...yeah lol
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I wanted to shed light on my standing with Trunks real fast. When Trunks cut up Frieza, I'm not implying he channeled ki into the blade, but since his power dwarfed Frieza's own, he could put more force in it. When Cold tried to do that, his sword strike was caught. So taking into account Frieza survived a planet's explosion, took additional damage, and was knocked out in space, as shown by the anime. The future had Frieza, even more powerful, actually killed by Goku this time, meaning he managed to damage him greater then a planet's explosion. He probably finished him off with a ki blast, but if Goku's punches can inflict damage on him, doesn't that mean his fists are delivering near or at least planet level potency strikes? I believe so...
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I think you're holding on to the planet explosion too much

Anyway, nobody responded to this so I want to bring it up again

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Ki control to control the AOE of their punches hasn't really been backed by anything especially since they can't really control how much gets destroyed when they knock someone into a mountain. Well I just thought of something.

It may be a stretch but remember when they were playing baseball and they asked goku to hit the ball gently? The ball went really slow.

Well then can't that be applied to scenes like goku kicking Frieza and Gotenks spiking super buu into the ground? I know it's a stretch because there's no indication they were trying do that but what do you think?
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I wanted to shed light on my standing with Trunks real fast. When Trunks cut up Frieza, I'm not implying he channeled ki into the blade, but since his power dwarfed Frieza's own, he could put more force in it. When Cold tried to do that, his sword strike was caught. So taking into account Frieza survived a planet's explosion, took additional damage, and was knocked out in space, as shown by the anime. The future had Frieza, even more powerful, actually killed by Goku this time, meaning he managed to damage him greater then a planet's explosion. He probably finished him off with a ki blast, but if Goku's punches can inflict damage on him, doesn't that mean his fists are delivering near or at least planet level potency strikes? I believe so...
So you're arguing that the sword itself has Planet/Solar-System/Galaxy level durability? 'Cause no matter how hard you swing something or throw something, the durability of that object doesn't change. You swing a pencil at something like a wall, it's going to snap on contact, regardless of whether you swing or throw it with planet-level force, whatever that is.
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Honestly I wouldn't put it ahead of bulma to craft a sword good enough to cut planet level fighters. She was flying around alien space ships and created a decently strong ray gun when she was like...5

That's not the issue though. The issue is that we can't say for certain that Frieza took even half the force of the explosion. So we can't say he's even planet level to begin with can we?
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Nagito- That only applies to normal humans such as us. Any weapon can be much more dangerous in the hands of a super strong entity. Take Supergirl for example, when she was exposed to red kryptonite, she was in a coffee shop flicking peanuts with her index finger with force capable of shattering glass jars. A normal human attempting to do that wouldn't even come close to that kinda feat without some form of machinery or device.

Ssj3Vegito96- I'm not discussing this planet ordeal again. The explosion of a planet is great, omnidirectional or not. If anything can manage to live through it, and only took enough damage to be out cold cause they were weaken and KO'd prior, it's a valid feat.
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Nagito- That only applies to normal humans such as us. Any weapon can be much more dangerous in the hands of a super strong entity. Take Supergirl for example, when she was exposed to red kryptonite, she was in a coffee shop flicking peanuts with her index finger with force capable of shattering glass jars. A normal human attempting to do that wouldn't even come close to that kinda feat without some form of machinery or device.

Ssj3Vegito96- I'm not discussing this planet ordeal again. The explosion of a planet is great, omnidirectional or not. If anything can manage to live through it, and only took enough damage to be out cold cause they were weaken and KO'd prior, it's a valid feat.
Using that logic, why doesn't anyone use anything like a rock or a pebble? In their hands, it'd be moving fast enough to actually pose a threat to their opponents, right?
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Because they don't fight like that, barring some occasions. Goku hit Vegeta twice with two small sized boulders strapped to his wrists and the force of the strike were able to stun Vegeta for Goku to combo off of. And even Gohan was sent crashing into one when Cell blasted him, but him impacting with a rather large rock formation didn't even cause any damage according to Goku.
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Regarding Goku hitting Vegeta, did those pieces of boulder break?

And just to clarify; to you think that a pebble thrown by a stronger fighter who's 100,000 could harm a fighter who's 75,000? Are you saying that the durability of the object thrown plays absolutely no part whatsoever?
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Wouldn't the sword still break anyway? @Solid Snake I'm pretty sure those peanuts weren't in a single piece after that, can you show us a scan of that comic image showing what the peanuts themselves look like after? Either way, after getting thrown, unless it has universe level durability, that sword is going to be shattered.
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They broke yeah but my point is that those same boulders wouldn't hurt him if he was to be sent crashing into em.

I don't know how to explain it but I think the objects are somewhat reinforced with the users strength, sorta like an extension or something of themselves that they can use as "third limbs" or something. Put it like this, Goten throwing pebbles at Gohan made him fear getting killed due to the sheer speed and power of the user. Those same pebbles went right through a boulder. Now you try doing that, did or would you get the exact same results if you threw it as hard as you could?

Tinny- It was on the CW series show. I'll see if I can find it though.
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