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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Feb 10 2017, 09:57 PM Post #16 |
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uhh maybe you all would die but im sure as hell not dying if the earth explodes. pfft doesnt matter though i just estimated mountain+ level because goku's feat where he kicked frieza through the island. look at this way. since frieza's body absorbed some of the force of gokus kick, then the island getting destroyed isnt showing the full extent of the force of goku's kick. multiply the destruction we saw by 20(because kaioken is linear), take into account what i said before, and ssj goku, and thats how i came up with mountain+ level. i think thats fair right? whether frieza took all if not most of the explosion's force or if he just taking a much smaller fraction of it is important. if you can prove he was somehow close to or at the center of the explosion then i will forget about split durability because that imo should put frieza at around planet level since obviously a planet explosion isnt an energy blast Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Feb 10 2017, 10:01 PM.
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| + Solid Snake | Feb 10 2017, 10:04 PM Post #17 |
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That could work actually. A literal planet explosion was only enough to knock him out or pit him from 20% to 1%, so Goku's potency could be lower maybe continent level or country level, prior to going Super Saiyan. And using 20x Kaioken could be what's mountain level. I didn't see the edit: Goku blasted him at least beneath the crust and in the anime and manga had Frieza's Nova Strike bury Goku deep enough that it caused magma to erupt so they can do that physically, so logically Goku likely could've did so but I think as deep as the crater went we saw is the bare minimum. Edited by Solid Snake, Feb 10 2017, 10:08 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Feb 10 2017, 10:11 PM Post #18 |
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Out of curiosity, what do you mean by the force of the kick? That it would literally destroy an island if it hit it? That's not how it works. Goku kicked Freeza into the island, but the island ended up so damaged because Freeza flying through it caused structural damage, it wasn't because Goku's kick was 'island-level'. |
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| Dankness Lava | Feb 10 2017, 10:13 PM Post #19 |
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What does it even mean for attack potency to be solar system level? How do you translate that to fighting someone who doesn't use any form of ki? |
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| Tinny | Feb 10 2017, 10:15 PM Post #20 |
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I'm talking about saiyan saga Goku vs Vegeta, I recall in the anime they went through at least a few rock formations. I would hope they were on guard when they blasted through rock formations like they were nothing, and yet Ginyu can full on swing on a little tree. This is part of why I don't take the anime seriously, it's very inconsistent, maybe there's a greater level of consistency, but from what I can tell, you have to more or less just use the manga to get a clear handle on what feats actually matter, in which case why not use the manga? And in any case, I don't really argue the anime in general. Not without an outright respect thread to look through (I am not watching the entire Dragon Ball Z anime in it's entirety, by the time I'm done I'm pretty sure it'll have been a month already, let alone if I stop to rewind and study the feats at play here like I usually do, that at least doubles the fight scene's length). Do you think the sword has universe+ level durability? Keep in mind we do later see him explicitly use it infused with ki later on. @O Me Ga'd In my experience, you don't. You just end up using ki attacks instead of punches, acting as if a casual punch uses the force of a kamehameha, then compare that to their own melee. Edited by Tinny, Feb 10 2017, 10:18 PM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Feb 10 2017, 10:16 PM Post #21 |
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i guess. i dont how you can go from mountain level to country level though. i think thats pushing it anyway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6iQC-aZS1o at the end of the video water is still rushing into the hole. so its probably really deep. thats all i got lol. its a bit a stretch to say frieza took even half the explosions force @nagito no no im not saying goku's kick would actually cause the same amount of damage that friezas body did when it hit the island. i think a punch is way too focused to have that big of an AOE Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Feb 10 2017, 10:18 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Feb 10 2017, 10:33 PM Post #22 |
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But AoE is how you determined what level an attack is at, right? And even if that feat was 'island-level', where's the evidence that it scales with Ki? Before anyone brings up Ki attacks, notice what happens with pretty much every Ki attack other than the Father-Son Kamehameha and the Genki Dama against Pure Boo; why do they leave bodies? Whether it's because of natural resistance to Ki or because they put up a Ki barrier, the physical body reacts better to Ki attacks than it does to physical ones. Like, with Piccolo, why didn't Nappa's blast decimate his body? |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Feb 10 2017, 10:39 PM Post #23 |
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I'm not saying it scales with ki attacks. It's got nothing to do with disproving split durability. I'm just analyzing the feat All I'm saying is that goku's kick was island level, so ssj goku is probably legit mountain level. It doesn't scale with ki. Their blasts are still planet level. Mountain level is big but planet level is on a different scale Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Feb 10 2017, 10:45 PM.
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| + Solid Snake | Feb 10 2017, 11:40 PM Post #24 |
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Tinny- Isn't that sword the Z-sword though from the future? I doubt it has that kinda durability though but I guess it could be back by the general strength of the user. Ssj3Vegito96- I guess but I see it having a increase like that if we're scaling from mountain level. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Feb 11 2017, 01:42 AM Post #25 |
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Ki control to control the AOE of their punches hasn't really been backed by anything especially since they can't really control how much gets destroyed when they knock someone into a mountain. Well I just thought of something. It may be a stretch but remember when they were playing baseball and they asked goku to hit the ball gently? The ball went really slow. And when he hit it hard the ball was wrapped in a ssjb aura Well then can't that be applied to scenes like goku kicking Frieza and Gotenks spiking super buu into the ground? I know it's a stretch because there's no indication they were trying do that but what do you think? |
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| Tinny | Feb 11 2017, 01:45 AM Post #26 |
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If I recall correctly, Dabura spit on it and turned it into stone. So it's almost certainly not the Z-sword. It's just a sword as far as I can tell. So is the sword universe level? Also if you're suggesting it's mostly strength ![]() I have to wonder why it mattered so much that he got a sword instead of one of many pieces of rubble. He even had his hand on some rubble if it was all his strength. Edited by Tinny, Feb 11 2017, 01:55 AM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Feb 11 2017, 01:59 AM Post #27 |
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Ehh I think it's safe to say they amp their weapons |
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| Tinny | Feb 11 2017, 02:00 AM Post #28 |
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We have explicitly seen Trunks infuse ki into his weapon and it looks very different from a normal blade. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Feb 11 2017, 02:09 AM Post #29 |
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I could've sworn there was a scene where trunks shot sword beams at goku black and there wasn't any aura around his sword. I can't find it though Auras rarely mean anything anyway. They're usually just a sign of a lot of ki flowing. Not necessarily that there isn't any ki at all I think lazerbem was able to explain better Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Feb 11 2017, 02:09 AM.
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| Tinny | Feb 11 2017, 02:44 AM Post #30 |
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I have to question that considering his weapon got turned into stone, but he didn't later on. He was just fine. If he had prepped or something by infusing his sword with ki, or if he can just do that whenever, I imagine he'd have also taken the time to make sure it didn't turn to useless stone. |
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