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The gap between Nappa and Goku
Topic Started: Feb 9 2017, 05:21 PM (2,661 Views)
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Nagito Komaeda
Feb 15 2017, 02:21 PM
There's no evidence to suggest that Nappa was higher than 8,000 at any point, even if we're talking about a hypothetical full power that we never see. His reaction to Goku's power level cements that.
His reaction to Goku's power level was of surprise because Goku was just 400 one year before, Vegeta's reaction is very similar even if not that exaggerated.
But here are the facts:
Nappa can see Goku's movements
And move as fast as him and fight at his same level

And that's after Goku increased his power to over 8000 and Nappa had already lost energy with his prior fights. You say this is no evidence of him being higher than 8000? Well, he surely was close enough to 8000+ Goku WHILE already having lost strength, and that's without accounting for his endurance, that was without any doubt much higher than Goku's...
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freezamite
Feb 15 2017, 02:32 PM
Nagito Komaeda
Feb 15 2017, 02:21 PM
There's no evidence to suggest that Nappa was higher than 8,000 at any point, even if we're talking about a hypothetical full power that we never see. His reaction to Goku's power level cements that.
His reaction to Goku's power level was of surprise because Goku was just 400 one year before, Vegeta's reaction is very similar even if not that exaggerated.
But here are the facts:
Nappa can see Goku's movements
And move as fast as him and fight at his same level

And that's after Goku increased his power to over 8000 and Nappa had already lost energy with his prior fights. You say this is no evidence of him being higher than 8000? Well, he surely was close enough to 8000+ Goku WHILE already having lost strength, and that's without accounting for his endurance, that was without any doubt much higher than Goku's...
There's that assumption that he lost a lot of strength, what's your evidence for that? Some kind of statement would be good, but as far as that goes, we have absolutely nothing. No indication that he lost any significant amount of power. D'ya think potshots from people who're under 2000 is gonna lower his power by that much?
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Nagito Komaeda
Feb 15 2017, 02:43 PM
There's that assumption that he lost a lot of strength, what's your evidence for that? Some kind of statement would be good, but as far as that goes, we have absolutely nothing. No indication that he lost any significant amount of power. D'ya think potshots from people who're under 2000 is gonna lower his power by that much?
I haven't said "a lot", but it's obvious that he had lost some strength. This is a basic rule in DB, every time a character gets injured he loses strength, and of course, there's the energy lost while launching ki blasts and such things.
What I'm saying is:
1. Nappa managed to take Goku's hits while his ki was disrupted, which means that he is a pretty unbalanced character with a much higher damage resistance than strength or speed.
2. Nappa still managed to fight Goku at his same level when it came to speed and strength. That alone, in conjunction with point number one, already puts him at above the 8k units.
3. Besides all that, when Nappa fought Goku at his same level he had already lost some power between his prior fights with the z-warriors and (mostly) the beating he took from Goku himself in the first round of the fight (when Nappa's power was much lower than it should have been).

With all of that in mind, even 12k units of strength seems plausible for Nappa considering how incredibly sturdy he was. Of course, his fighting abilities and techniques weren't any good compared to Goku's, but that has nothing to do with the power both fighters had at that moment.

And regarding those that were below 2000, they had very powerful techniques. The Kiko-ho is the strongest ki blast in the whole series, Chao's suicidal attack surely also punched above his weight, and even if individually they were almost nothing, Nappa also wasted some energy fighting them. And of course, Goku's beating in the first round of the fight, that had to take a toll as well.
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Feb 10 2017, 02:00 AM
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Feb 10 2017, 01:52 AM
1.33x gap at the absolute minimum

Goku dogged him the entire time they fought
Nappa dodged Goku's hits as well (when he calmed down) and 1.33 gab would have been Goku totally dominating the fight. Nappa matched Goku in speed and strength, while largely surpassing him in damage resistance.
Goku told Nappa after he calmed down he was doing better in a condescending way and bounced off his strongest technique with a half-assed Kamehameha at close-range. Yeah right he was matching him in power.
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Feb 17 2017, 09:12 PM
Goku told Nappa after he calmed down he was doing better in a condescending way and bounced off his strongest technique with a half-assed Kamehameha at close-range. Yeah right he was matching him in power.
Since when is Goku such a condescending prick exactly? And yes, he matched Nappa's best techniques with a "half assed" KameHame, but considering that Raditz wasn't even able to fire a Ki blast above his current strength, what makes you think that Nappa's techniques were much better, let alone comparable to Goku's techniques that were top-notch in the whole universe?
And are you going to tell me that when Goku says "he really is tough...! Took my fireball head on...!!! This could take forever..." was also in a condescending way even if that goes against Goku's character?
Or that when he had to activate the KKx2 because otherwise he couldn't have been able to stop Nappa from killing Gohan or Krilin he also activated it "in a condescending way" and that he could've stopped Nappa without it? LoL
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freezamite
Feb 18 2017, 02:40 PM
DBZAOTA482
Feb 17 2017, 09:12 PM
Goku told Nappa after he calmed down he was doing better in a condescending way and bounced off his strongest technique with a half-assed Kamehameha at close-range. Yeah right he was matching him in power.
Since when is Goku such a condescending prick exactly? And yes, he matched Nappa's best techniques with a "half assed" KameHame, but considering that Raditz wasn't even able to fire a Ki blast above his current strength, what makes you think that Nappa's techniques were much better, let alone comparable to Goku's techniques that were top-notch in the whole universe?
And are you going to tell me that when Goku says "he really is tough...! Took my fireball head on...!!! This could take forever..." was also in a condescending way even if that goes against Goku's character?
Or that when he had to activate the KKx2 because otherwise he couldn't have been able to stop Nappa from killing Gohan or Krilin he also activated it "in a condescending way" and that he could've stopped Nappa without it? LoL
He's been condescending at times. Like with Vegeta before the Cell Games, or with Freeza.
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Feb 20 2017, 05:15 AM
He's been condescending at times. Like with Vegeta before the Cell Games, or with Freeza.
Not to the point of mocking someone like that. He was condescending to Vegeta but he spoke the truth, he told him he was stronger. With Freezer while he was being condescending, he never mocked him in the sense of "hey, you're sooooo strong heheheheheh". Goku can be condescending, but never in the way DBZAOTA482 stated with him being ironic and mocking someone weaker.
Furthermore, it's latter proven that he didn't say what he said in a condescending way by the fact that he really respects Nappa's endurance and when he tries to kill Gohan and Krilin, the fact that Goku is forced to activate the KKx2.
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