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| How strong do you have Gohan and Krillin (At First Form Frieza)? | ||
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| Dear Leader | Feb 9 2017, 04:46 PM Post #1 | |
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Prior to his scuffle with First Form Frieza, Vegeta says that he, Gohan and Krillin would be able to beat Frieza if they worked together. Several fans have taken this to mean that Gohan and Krillin's power levels were in the hundreds of thousands at this point, given Frieza's 530k and Vegeta's comment that the two brats' strength had been gradually increasing. However, this doesn't sit right with me at all. I just find it very improbable that Gohan and Krillin received a massive, silent power boost, going from barely above 10,000 after the Elder boost to way above the Ginyu Force with hardly any commentary about it from other characters or even themselves. Vegeta's comment could even be taken in multiple ways. Gohan and Krillin don't necessarily have to be anywhere *near* Frieza's power level for Vegeta to consider them useful - they could distract Frieza and stall for time while Vegeta amps a big ki blast. Or maybe Vegeta was counting on Gohan's rage boost kicking in. Basically, because Vegeta's comment on them is so vague, I think it's more reasonable to assume that he meant they would be useful in ways other than their strength, than to assume the Guru boost was so unreasonably large. I have Gohan and Krillin (At First Form Frieza) at ~37,000* and ~28,000 respectively. Going by the manga, Gohan clobbered Ginyu (In Goku's Body), who was 23,000, yet Krillin merely exchanged punches with him, showing no advantage. Given that Gohan and Krillin's power levels were previously roughly equal and Gohan received a zenkai from Recoome, I give him a 1.3x** boost over Krillin, putting Gohan at 30,000, which accounts nicely for the gap over Ginyu (In Goku's Body). By the time the Frieza fight had rolled around, their power levels had increased slightly further (given Vegeta's comments) to reach my numbers. I feel confident with these. * formerly 31,000 - revised to 37,000 to include Gohan's zenkai from Recoome ** Vegeta's zenkai boost Edited by Dear Leader, Feb 9 2017, 07:46 PM.
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| SSJ | Feb 9 2017, 04:50 PM Post #2 | |
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Considering Vegeta was counting on a Zarbon type transformation for Freeza as well, it's illogical to think Gohan and Krillin would be any less than 250,000 at the BARE minimum. How do you expect a 30k fighter to even distract someone potentially 700-850k? That's ludicrous. Gohan himself was even confident in the fact that he and Krillin were constantly powering up. | |
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| Dear Leader | Feb 9 2017, 06:23 PM Post #3 | |
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What sounds more "ludicrous" to you - that Vegeta, exhausted after days of constant fighting with barely any sleep and desperate for any glimmer of hope, was being overconfident to the point of delusion, or that Gohan and Krillin, out of NOWHERE, received a humongous boost that eclipsed the entire Ginyu Force including Captain Ginyu himself? The power spike would have been commented on by somebody. The hundreds of thousands? No way. However, I've just realised something - I forgot about the zenkai Gohan must have received after being beaten to near death by Recoome and healed by Goku's Senzu. I'll need to revise my numbers. Okay. I've updated the first post. Taking into consideration the zenkai, the gap over Ginyu (In Goku's Body) and the gradual increase from the Guru boost, Gohan ends up nicely at 37,000 at First Form Frieza, gaining on the Ginyu Force. Also, Krillin's Kienzan works regardless of power level gap. Perhaps Vegeta was counting on something like that. Edited by Dear Leader, Feb 9 2017, 07:20 PM.
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| + Kaboom | Feb 9 2017, 06:31 PM Post #4 | |
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I don't see any issue with their official 200k and 75k power levels, at least for the start of the fight. Vegeta was counting on them for backup in a group effort, not expecting them to take turns tangoing with Freeza one-on-one or something. I also think it's clever that the official numbers for Vegeta, Gohan, and Kuririn all add up to juuuust short of Freeza's 530k, thematically suggesting via the numbers that even with their strengths combined they had a tough fight on their hands. Edited by Kaboom, Feb 9 2017, 06:34 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Feb 9 2017, 08:47 PM Post #5 | |
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It sounds like you simply don't like something, regardless of whether it has any backing or not. If Vegeta was counting on them to be distractions, he wouldn't have talked about their strength at all, yet he specifically pointed to their power as an aid. Gohan and Krillin agreed with this once they actually looked at the situation with open eyes. Personally, I've got them both between 200,000 and 350,000. Edited by Pyrus, Feb 9 2017, 08:47 PM.
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Feb 9 2017, 11:00 PM Post #6 | |
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Vegeta expected Freeza to transform and expected the latter's power to raise akin to Zarbon's (~ x1.25). Son Gohan was stated to be similar in power to Vegeta as Clearin questioned by Son Gohan could not be wished immortal against of Vegeta. Freeza: 530 000 Vegeta: 430 000 Son Gohan: 400 000 Clearin: 300 000 Freeza (Projected): 663 000 Edited by DEY DID DIS 2 ME, Feb 9 2017, 11:03 PM.
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| Dankness Lava | Feb 9 2017, 11:45 PM Post #7 | |
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You act like this would be the only ludicrous boost in the series. | |
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| ahill1 | Feb 10 2017, 03:14 AM Post #8 | |
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Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5 Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…” Vegeta clearly made reference to their powers steadily rising, meaning their power is the main point into Vegeta considering their helps. If Vegeta is also only counting with Kuririn's Kienzan then he is adding up to nothing, considering Vegeta could also do this atttack. Gohan also confirms that despite Freeza being powerful, they also got really strong, once again emphasizing their powers: Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P13.6 Context: after grappling with Vegeta for awhile, after Vegeta said they could win Gohan: “It-it’s true…! If we 3 fight together, we might really be able to manage something…H-he really is absolutely incredible, but we’ve gotten better too…!” Even so, their confidence in winning doesn't seem to be like on heavens, considering Vegeta said they would win "somehow or another" and Gohan defining their chances as "managing something", not to say Vegeta counting with drawing near the SSJ. All in all Freeza is stronger than them all and if they win it would be a pretty hard battle, but they all are around the same vicinity for Vegeta make a special case on their strength and how it could help against an hypothetical transformed Freeza.Vegeta would probably be the star player in their victory, but with the two adding substantial weight. Edited by ahill1, Feb 10 2017, 03:17 AM.
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| + Emmeth | Feb 10 2017, 03:21 AM Post #9 | |
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As many here I have them both between 200k and 300k. I think at that point in time the potential unlock was fully done and their usefulness would come in handy. | |
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| + Saiyan Paladin | Feb 10 2017, 03:38 AM Post #10 | |
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I couldn't put either Krillin or Gohan below 200,000 if they're deemed useful against First Form Freeza who is at 530,000. Gohan - 300-350,000 Krillin - 200-250,000 |
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| OmegaSaiyan2 | Feb 13 2017, 04:14 PM Post #11 | |
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Gohan: 300,000. Krillin: 220-250,000. they being below 200,000 is impossible as Vegeta considered them useful against Freeza. Edited by OmegaSaiyan2, Feb 13 2017, 04:15 PM.
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