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A real ssj4?
Topic Started: Feb 6 2017, 08:16 PM (778 Views)
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What I mean is is it possible for there to be an evolution further than ssj3? The ssj4 in GT was only named ssj4 out of convenience and it didn't really have anything to do with ssj3. Do you think ssj3 could've evolved into another form? A real ssj4?

Is it possible? What do you think it would look like?
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I don't think so. 3 was already an unnatural form, and one of the guides says it draws the person to their limits. Pushing beyond that in a linear fashion wouldn't make much sense to me.
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Was it stated somewhere that it was an unnatural form? Though I think I'll say no aswell, considering they seem to have moved on to God forms now.
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I could be wrong, but wasn't it stated that Goku could only achieve the form because he wasn't in a mortal body?
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I mean, it would make sense if they could. The more they got used to the current form they were able to achieve an even newer form. I don't see why not.
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Feb 6 2017, 08:47 PM
I could be wrong, but wasn't it stated that Goku could only achieve the form because he wasn't in a mortal body?
I don't think it's explicitly stated, but it's the conclusion that most people arrive at. Goku managed to attain it while dead and Gotenks managed to attain it in a different dimension in a fused body, so neither of the cases have been natural means of obtaining it.

As for SSJ4, I'd say no. I don't think SSJ3 itself is a proper transformation, it's more akin to Grade III. Forcing your body to mutate to contain the power you're forcing into it.
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I highly doubt we'll get a new numbered form. It's all about God forms now.
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It's unnatural to me because he achieved it while dead, had tremendous trouble with it in a living body, and even said it shouldn't be used outside of Otherworld. Nothing was ever hinted at like that for the other two transformations.
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Feb 6 2017, 09:11 PM
It's unnatural to me because he achieved it while dead, had tremendous trouble with it in a living body, and even said it shouldn't be used outside of Otherworld. Nothing was ever hinted at like that for the other two transformations.
Still though, I don't think that can make it impossible for a new transformation. I'd say maybe the next level could only be attained through a deceased body, but Gotenks was able to attain it and Goku is far stronger than that now, not that it would matter anymore with the Super Saiyan god forms.
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Goku told Gohan he showed him how to do it though, that was in the anime not sure about the manga, but if he's suggesting that then it seems like anyone could reach it.
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I agree that Super Saiyan 3 is probably the absolute apex of the golden-haired transformation ladder. Super Saiyan is breaking into that realm of power, Super Saiyan 2 is the supercharged natural limit, and Super Saiyan 3 is an unnatural mutation that forcibly creates power beyond that limit and is only achievable through exceptional means. Super Saiyan 4 then expands on that chain by creating a new half-Oozaru body for the Saiyan which brings all-new power limits along with it.
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Feb 7 2017, 03:32 AM
I agree that Super Saiyan 3 is probably the absolute apex of the golden-haired transformation ladder. Super Saiyan is breaking into that realm of power, Super Saiyan 2 is the supercharged natural limit, and Super Saiyan 3 is an unnatural mutation that forcibly creates power beyond that limit and is only achievable through exceptional means. Super Saiyan 4 then expands on that chain by creating a new half-Oozaru body for the Saiyan which brings all-new power limits along with it.
I don't take Super as canon by any means, but if they had SSJ5 or created one, that would be the final stage of a warrior's transformation. I can't see them having SSJ6 or 7.
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Feb 7 2017, 03:32 AM
I agree that Super Saiyan 3 is probably the absolute apex of the golden-haired transformation ladder. Super Saiyan is breaking into that realm of power, Super Saiyan 2 is the supercharged natural limit, and Super Saiyan 3 is an unnatural mutation that forcibly creates power beyond that limit and is only achievable through exceptional means. Super Saiyan 4 then expands on that chain by creating a new half-Oozaru body for the Saiyan which brings all-new power limits along with it.
So do you think the ozaru body could turn ssj ssj2 ssj3 and proper ssj4 with golden hair that is not obtainable with there normal body.
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Feb 8 2017, 12:14 AM
So do you think the ozaru body could turn ssj ssj2 ssj3 and proper ssj4 with golden hair that is not obtainable with there normal body.
No, I think it's just an all-encompassing combination of both "sides" of a Saiyan's power into a new total package. Both the Super Saiyan (1-2-3) side and Oozaru sides come together to make the rough Gold Oozaru which can be condensed to Super Saiyan 4.
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Feb 8 2017, 12:14 AM
So do you think the ozaru body could turn ssj ssj2 ssj3 and proper ssj4 with golden hair that is not obtainable with there normal body.
No, I think it's just an all-encompassing combination of both "sides" of a Saiyan's power into a new total package. Both the Super Saiyan (1-2-3) side and Oozaru sides come together to make the rough Gold Oozaru which can be condensed to Super Saiyan 4.
If they made it yellow, people would complain about how tired they're of seeing everything yellow all the time. I was one of the people who thought SSJ4 should be yellow too.
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