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"Mystic" Gohan
Topic Started: Feb 6 2017, 05:52 PM (681 Views)
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Why isn't "Mystic" the correct term for Gohan?
Is Ultimate Gohan considered a form?

What are your thoughts on the matter?
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As far as I remember, "Mightiest Warrior" is the official name given in the manga and guidebooks. I don't remember where "Ultimate" or "Mystic" came from, although I'm willing to bet it was the video games.
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Feb 6 2017, 06:57 PM
As far as I remember, "Mightiest Warrior" is the official name given in the manga and guidebooks. I don't remember where "Ultimate" or "Mystic" came from, although I'm willing to bet it was the video games.
Yeah, Ultimate was the name given to him in the Budokai Tenkaichi games. I think Mystic also came from a video game, but I can't be too sure on that one.
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The state Gohan was in after getting his potential unlocked was never named in the manga. "Mightiest Warrior" and "Chou (Super)" come from the Daizenshuu. "Ultimate" comes from the Tenkaichi games. Not sure where "Mystic" originated, but it was used in a FUNimation DVD booklet.
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I'm pretty sure "Mystic" was just a widely-used fan term that ended up being adopted for a very small amount of official products. I really hate that label for Gohan because it misleadingly implies that Gohan himself or his power is now somehow godly or magical in nature, when it's not. It was a god who performed the ritual to enhance Gohan's power, but that power is the same normal, mortal ki he was born with.

In the manga, when the ritual's complete Gohan asks the old Kaioshin how he can become this "mightiest of warriors" it was supposed to make him, and that's what Daizenshuu #2 adopted as a label for him: "saikyo no senshi," meaning "mightiest of warriors" or "ultimate warrior" or what have you along those lines. So the "Ultimate Gohan" name is a derivative of that, and it's actually shown up as the English word "Ultimate" on some Japanese stuff too, like his roster entry in Sparking! Meteor (a.k.a. BT3).
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Feb 7 2017, 03:41 PM
I'm pretty sure "Mystic" was just a widely-used fan term that ended up being adopted for a very small amount of official products. I really hate that label for Gohan because it misleadingly implies that Gohan himself or his power is now somehow godly or magical in nature, when it's not. It was a god who performed the ritual to enhance Gohan's power, but that power is the same normal, mortal ki he was born with.

In the manga, when the ritual's complete Gohan asks the old Kaioshin how he can become this "mightiest of warriors" it was supposed to make him, and that's what Daizenshuu #2 adopted as a label for him: "saikyo no senshi," meaning "mightiest of warriors" or "ultimate warrior" or what have you along those lines. So the "Ultimate Gohan" name is a derivative of that, and it's actually shown up as the English word "Ultimate" on some Japanese stuff too, like his roster entry in Sparking! Meteor (a.k.a. BT3).
I'm forever saving this quote and hitting people in the head with it that call him "Mystic". :p
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Feb 7 2017, 04:09 PM
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I'm pretty sure "Mystic" was just a widely-used fan term that ended up being adopted for a very small amount of official products. I really hate that label for Gohan because it misleadingly implies that Gohan himself or his power is now somehow godly or magical in nature, when it's not. It was a god who performed the ritual to enhance Gohan's power, but that power is the same normal, mortal ki he was born with.

In the manga, when the ritual's complete Gohan asks the old Kaioshin how he can become this "mightiest of warriors" it was supposed to make him, and that's what Daizenshuu #2 adopted as a label for him: "saikyo no senshi," meaning "mightiest of warriors" or "ultimate warrior" or what have you along those lines. So the "Ultimate Gohan" name is a derivative of that, and it's actually shown up as the English word "Ultimate" on some Japanese stuff too, like his roster entry in Sparking! Meteor (a.k.a. BT3).
I'm forever saving this quote and hitting people in the head with it that call him "Mystic". :p
There's nothing wrong with people using "mystic" in place of "ultimate" or even "mightiest of warriors". It's just a preference for some, so them using either term would still let people know what Gohan they're referring to. Not that I use "mystic" but there's no harm in using it in my opinion. I personally just call him "ultimate" and refer to the status as "ultimate status" fyi.
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It's a bit misleading is all.
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Not totally, the word mystic derive from all things associated with Gods or deities. Gohan himself isn't Godly but the means he acquired it are so it kinda fits, just not as it should.
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Mystic was a fan name that started from Planetnamek.com or whatever back in the day. This was like fifteen plus years ago.

"Mightiest Warrior" is the most accurate translation, but to me that doesn't really encompass what that form of Gohan is. Could simply be that the meaning is lost in translation.

Unhinged Gohan or something along those lines seems more accurate.
Awoken Gohan or even Full Power Gohan... take your pick.
Sometimes I refer to him as Post Ritual Gohan. This is personal preference.
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I'm pretty sure "Mystic" was just a widely-used fan term that ended up being adopted for a very small amount of official products. I really hate that label for Gohan because it misleadingly implies that Gohan himself or his power is now somehow godly or magical in nature, when it's not. It was a god who performed the ritual to enhance Gohan's power, but that power is the same normal, mortal ki he was born with.
It's not the same power Gohan was born with.

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Elder Kaioshin: “With my psychic powers, I can take the hidden power which anyone has, no matter how amazing a master they may be, and draw it wa~~ay, wa~~ay out above their limits. Ehehehehe…Have you ever heard of an ability like that?”
Kaioshin and Kibito: “Oooh!”
Goku: “Wh-what?...Ain’t that the kind of ability you hear about fairly often?”
Elder Kaioshin: “Wh-what are you talking about…?! Above their limits! Above! There de~~efinitely isn’t anyone else that incredible! [ ] Hey, you over there, you were the one who pulled the sword out, right? Come over here a little. If someone could pull that sword out and swing it around, then once I get through with them they’ll de~~efinitely be able to become the best in the universe.”


Old Kai brought Gohan's hidden power and gave him a boost on top of that, so it's not Gohan's natural power. The power-up comes from Old Kai's magic, so "Mystic" is fitting.

"Ultimate" and "Mightiest Warrior" really say nothing about the form other than that it's really strong (which can be said about any form), and they're misnomers since Gohan can achieve stronger forms like Super Saiyan Blue.
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I'm pretty sure "Mystic" was just a widely-used fan term that ended up being adopted for a very small amount of official products. I really hate that label for Gohan because it misleadingly implies that Gohan himself or his power is now somehow godly or magical in nature, when it's not. It was a god who performed the ritual to enhance Gohan's power, but that power is the same normal, mortal ki he was born with.
It's not the same power Gohan was born with.
It's the same potential Gohan was born with.
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why you ignore the rest of my post fam
Because it wasn't relevant to my response.
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Feb 7 2017, 03:41 PM
I'm pretty sure "Mystic" was just a widely-used fan term that ended up being adopted for a very small amount of official products. I really hate that label for Gohan because it misleadingly implies that Gohan himself or his power is now somehow godly or magical in nature, when it's not. It was a god who performed the ritual to enhance Gohan's power, but that power is the same normal, mortal ki he was born with.
It's not the same power Gohan was born with.
It's the same potential Gohan was born with.
And more.
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