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| + Son-Goku | Feb 6 2017, 01:36 AM Post #16 |
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Still seems rather complicated. In a certain sense it is a transformation. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Feb 6 2017, 02:25 AM Post #17 |
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I consider it more of a metamorphisis than a transformation. Kind of like Cell. Perfect Cell can't voluntarily revert to his weaker forms, at least that that we're aware of (it wouldn't make sense if he could). Perfect Cell's natural state is his Perfect Form. Same with Mystic/Ultimate Gohan. The only time that Cell was able to revert was in his first form when he reverted to his larval state. However, this is different because his first form is a matured version of his larval state, and not necessarily a different form entirely. He requires external components to advance to higher states. After Gohan "transforms" into Super Saiyan when his ki was awoken, his "transformed state" became his natural form. The act of transforming to Mystic is different than Super Saiyan because of the fact that there is no strain associated with the form, therefore it can be sustained indefinitely. And given the fact that Gohan no longer has a hidden reserve to draw on in order to transform, his body simply modifies itself to accommodate the larger reserve of ki. I think the biggest clue to it not being a transformation is that after Gohan loses consciousness inside Boo, Boo is still able to use Gohan's full ki, but with Gotenks, he lost the power when Gotenks separated because Gotenks's power no longer existed. In addition to this, he took the primary form of Piccolo, because Piccolo was likely the strongest ki he had inside him, since Goten and Trunks were in base form... How strong Piccolo is... I don't think we know. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Feb 6 2017, 02:34 AM.
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| twitchy | Feb 6 2017, 02:46 AM Post #18 |
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No that's not right because Gotenks defused. Gohan can't defuse. It does pose an interesting question about Buu's absorption technique and absorption's in general. When Piccolo absorbed Nail and Kami, the power had no limit, just whenever the host got tired. Same with Cell, although you could make a case about the Androids having unlimited energy. If Buu sucked up a SSJ3 Goku does that mean he has that power all the time? Or does he use it up, get tired, then have to rest again before he can get it back. Buu can outlast Goku's power up, so what happens? |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Feb 8 2017, 02:16 AM Post #19 |
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But then how to you explain Piccolo being the form that Boo took after Gotenks spilt? The only way that would happen is if Piccolo then was the strongest being inside Boo, which would suggest that Base Goten and Trunks were weaker than Piccolo in base. In other words, Boo could've used the Super Saiyan power of Goten or Trunks if he was able to tap into it. By extension, he never reverted from Gohan's ultimate power, which suggests that "Mystic" is not a transformation but Gohan's actual power in his natural/base state. Which makes it more of a metamorphosis like Cell's forms, not a transformation like Super Saiyan. And given that Super Saiyan 3 takes an immense level of power to maintain, Boo would likely lose it immediately if he were to absorb Goku. Goku would have to be transformed for Boo to tap into his power, and from what we've seen, people lose consciousness when Boo taps them into his system. And losing consciousness reverts Super Saiyan transformations; as we saw with Vegeta when Vegeta got KO'd by Perfect Cell, Goku when he was KO'd by Majin Vegeta, and Goten and Trunks when Majin Vegeta KO'd them. Even though this is a long shot, there's no evidence that Boo was tapping into SSj3 Gotenks's power. Gotenks's base by itself has formidable power, and that combined with Piccolo's might have been enough overcome Gohan like it did. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Feb 8 2017, 02:18 AM.
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