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Gohan ssj2 in anime only?
Topic Started: Feb 1 2017, 04:52 PM (810 Views)
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Was gohan a ssj2 against dabura in the anime?

In the manga it's more clear he's a ssj1 because of the aura and lack of sparks

But in the anime the aura doesn't seem like a way to tell and his hair is different from the manga

I'm having trouble telling what he is

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I think it looks more like ssj1 hair
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There's really no way of knowing.

Debates like these are a prime example of why SS2's design is so terrible; it's difficult to distinguish it from SS1.
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I believe at one point you can see him turn from SSj to SSj2 in the anime.

At 47 seconds in this video:


Arguably it's just SSj Gohan powering up though.
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Most likely he was a Super Saiyan 2. His skin is paler, which is something I've noticed Toei did for the form, at least in the Boo Saga. He has a somewhat more distinguished aura than normal. Goku or Vegeta comments how he's doing his best as well. That's enough for me.
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This is something I realized and have brought up here and there recently. I don't need to repeat the obvious for why Gohan was only a Super Saiyan 1 against Dabra in the original manga, but it does seem like Toei intentionally tried to portray him as a Super Saiyan 2 instead for some reason. He has the more intense facial expressions and the differently-lit aura that Toei usually uses for SS2, and the anime actually inserted a few new lines about how Gohan was going "full-force" and "trying his very best" and stuff like that.

That can also explain what would otherwise seem like a contradiction in the two different Daizenshuu volumes. Daizenshuu #2's "Growing Up" guide indicates that "High School era Super Saiyan 2" Gohan only ever appeared in Vol 37 (the tournament) and not again after (his fight with Dabra was in Vol 38), but that guide only references the manga. Then Daizenshuu #7's character guide says that Dabra specifically fought Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, but that one's all-inclusive and refers to anime events and characters too, so it was probably referring to the anime version of the fight.
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I don't know. If he wasn't, I'd argue it's because Kibito couldn't return him to full strength after his energy was drained in the Tenkaichi Budokai. I mean, Kibito and/or the Kaio-shin did state that he couldn't be returned to maximum, correct?
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I believe in the manga Gohan said, even in his form, he couldn't bring out the power that he had when he fought Cell. Meaning he should be SSj here.
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We saw him use his Ssj2 form earlier with Kibito, so there's no reason to think he wouldn't use it in the anime where Dabura's a lot more competent than his manga self.
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Feb 2 2017, 05:25 AM
I don't know. If he wasn't, I'd argue it's because Kibito couldn't return him to full strength after his energy was drained in the Tenkaichi Budokai. I mean, Kibito and/or the Kaio-shin did state that he couldn't be returned to maximum, correct?
I don't believe that was said, just that he seemingly had bottomless power or something like that.
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Feb 2 2017, 02:55 AM
This is something I realized and have brought up here and there recently. I don't need to repeat the obvious for why Gohan was only a Super Saiyan 1 against Dabra in the original manga, but it does seem like Toei intentionally tried to portray him as a Super Saiyan 2 instead for some reason. He has the more intense facial expressions and the differently-lit aura that Toei usually uses for SS2, and the anime actually inserted a few new lines about how Gohan was going "full-force" and "trying his very best" and stuff like that.

That can also explain what would otherwise seem like a contradiction in the two different Daizenshuu volumes. Daizenshuu #2's "Growing Up" guide indicates that "High School era Super Saiyan 2" Gohan only ever appeared in Vol 37 (the tournament) and not again after (his fight with Dabra was in Vol 38), but that guide only references the manga. Then Daizenshuu #7's character guide says that Dabra specifically fought Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, but that one's all-inclusive and refers to anime events and characters too, so it was probably referring to the anime version of the fight.
You could argue either entry is an oversight, as the Daizenshuu 7 specifically addresses anime specific things when dealing with manga characters. Vegetto's bio is good example of this:
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In the original story, after Goku and Vegeta merge they transform into Super Vegetto straight away. However, in the anime version a fierce battle unfolds between Buu and normal Vegetto as well. Furthermore, after transforming into Super Vegetto, he uses Vegeta's Big Bang Attack against Buu. Incidentally, merged characters such as Vegetto are performed by having both voice actors perform at the same time. This was the original creator's idea.
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One thing I have been pondering recently is the production of the manga itself. The chapters were released on a week by week basis, so perhaps the chapter where Gohan fought Dabura had to be rushed for whatever reason? I mean, just looking at how sloppily chapter 455 is drawn in comparison to other chapters makes me think that isn't too far-fetched. I don't know, I'm probably reaching here, but honestly, Gohan being a Super Saiyan 2 just makes more sense looking at what's said leading up to the battle, and the anime's portrayal of the fight itself.
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Feb 4 2017, 05:51 PM
You could argue either entry is an oversight, as the Daizenshuu 7 specifically addresses anime specific things when dealing with manga characters.
True enough, but that always seems to be reserved for major differences, like the Vegetto thing you pointed out, or when regular characters made movie appearances, or even when the character itself is anime-only. Something like which form Gohan used to fight Dabra is ultimately pretty minor and probably wouldn't merit its own entire sub-entry like that. Just slipping in "Super Saiyan 2" to Dabra's main bio instead seems like a pretty clever alternative, if it was intentional.
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Does this video prove that Goku and Vegeta are far above Gohan as Ssj2 and Dabra is Ssj2 level?
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I don't feel like he was in SSj2 for most of it.


To me it seems more like he was in MSSj but he was dipping in to the SSj2 well whenever he got angry enough.

SSj2 seems like a constantly powered up state where in MSSj one can relax a bit, it's the form Gohan mastered. He never mastered SSj2. He only used it properly in one instance when he had proper motivation for it.


I don't believe his heart was ever in to it, apart from at the tournament and maybe when he tried to destroy Buu's capsule/egg/thing. After that SSj2 became redundant for him.

Rather than lack of training to me the 7 years had him being far too gentle, though obviously he must have lost some power.
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