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| + Saiyan Paladin | Feb 4 2017, 08:05 AM Post #76 |
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Sounds like a personal problem if you can't discern the difference between Super Saiyan 1 and 2. Cell Games Gohan Spoiler: click to toggle Gee, wow, I can't tell the difference at all. Boo Arc Gohan Spoiler: click to toggle Truly they are exactly alike. Vegeta Spoiler: click to toggle Carbon copies. Goku Spoiler: click to toggle I wonder why Goku uses the same form against Cell and Fat Boo.... It's time to put those grasses on, boy!
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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 4 2017, 08:13 AM Post #77 |
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Kaioken isn't a "form"; it's simply a technique. Goku doesn't transform when he uses it. You clearly took my post completely out of context. "Super Saiyan 2 looks like a different form from Super Saiyan 1 because it changes the aura" is your argument. Your logic is that if someone's aura changes, they look like they're in a different form. By your logic, Goku looks like he's in a different form when he gets his Kaioken aura; he doesn't. By your logic, SS Gohan and Vegeta look like they're in different forms when Toriyama gives them blue aura; they don't. By your logic, Ginyu-Goku looks like he's in a different form when he powers up with a gold aura; he doesn't. By your logic, Imperfect Cell looks like he's in a different form when he gets that ghostly aura; he doesn't. My point is, aura doesn't make someone look like they're in a different form. "Look" is the keyword here. You're arguing it does.
1) SS2 doesn't always have lightning. 2) SS1 often has lightning. 3) The fact that you need to tell someone something for them to be able to identify a form means there's a problem with that form's design. You don't need anyone to tell you that Super Saiyan 1, Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue are differet forms; you can just look at how they have different colors. You should be able to identify a form just by looking at it with your very own eyes. The average person isn't gonna be able to distinguish Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan 2 with just their eyes.
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| + Emmeth | Feb 4 2017, 08:22 AM Post #78 |
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No, you're spreading false information. SS has sparks, not lightning, and it doesn't always have that either. SPARKS ARE NOT THE SAME AS LIGHTNING Sparks is something fireworks create when it explodes or by someone velding something. Lightning is a bolt of thunder created by friction. SPARKS: Spoiler: click to toggle LIGHTNING: Spoiler: click to toggle Once again, I haven't seen anyone be unsure about that form someone is using aside from certain ambigious fights. Lightning is very consistent in both manga and anime. Why should I stop acting like the manga is the only relevant thing in this discussion? It's the source for everything, isn't it? That's where the difference comes from and that's where it's consistent. I'm honestly not sure why you even brought up Kaioken, SS Blue with Kaioken, Imperfect Cell etc, it doesn't prove anything. |
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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 4 2017, 08:34 AM Post #79 |
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The only thing that looks different there is the aura. Your logic is that because the auras are different, these pictures look like they're different forms. Here's a picture of Imperfect Cell with aura: Spoiler: click to toggle Here's another picture of him with aura: Spoiler: click to toggle Do these look like different forms to you just because the aura is different? Here's this picture of SS Kid Gohan you posted: Spoiler: click to toggle Here's the picture of SS Kid Gohan I posted: Spoiler: click to toggle Does these look like different forms to you just because the aura is different? Here's this picture of SS Vegeta you posted: Spoiler: click to toggle Here's another picture of SS Vegeta: Spoiler: click to toggle Do these look like different forms to you just because the aura is different? I assume your answer to all of my questions is "no", right? The aura doesn't make them look like different forms. So, if you think the aura doesn't make them look like different forms, then you should be able to agree that the aura doesn't make SS2 look like a different form from SS1. It is true that SS2 Kid Gohan's hairstyle is different to SS1 Kid Gohan's hairstyle. But do different hairstyles make characters look like they're in different forms?: Spoiler: click to toggle ^They all have different hairstyles. Do they actually look like they're in different forms? They don't. SS2 Kid Gohan looks different to SS1 Kid Gohan in the same sense that SS1 Vegeta looks different to Goku. They look like they could be different characters, but they don't look like they're in different forms. Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 4 2017, 09:01 AM.
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| + Saiyan Paladin | Feb 4 2017, 08:42 AM Post #80 |
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lol. I guess that lightning around them and the spikier hair are just illusions.
That's Super Saiyan Grade 2 Vegeta. How is Imperfect Cell pertinent towards Super Saiyan 2? Try again, boy. Edited by Saiyan Paladin, Feb 4 2017, 08:42 AM.
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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 4 2017, 08:43 AM Post #81 |
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It looks exactly the same. SS1 Goku with sparks: Spoiler: click to toggle SS2 Gohan with sparks: Spoiler: click to toggle
And SS2 doesn't always have lightning, either.
Because there's a lot more to the franchise than the manga. The manga isn't the only thing people see. Far more people see the anime.
Because you're arguing a change in aura makes SS2 look like a different form to SS1. By your own logic, whenever a character's aura changes, they look like they're in different forms. I brought those pics of Kaioken, SS Blue Kaioken and Imperfect Cell because they show changes in aura. Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 4 2017, 10:15 AM.
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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 4 2017, 08:47 AM Post #82 |
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The lightning is part of the aura. As for the "spikier hair", here's base Gohan: Spoiler: click to toggle Here's another picture of base Gohan. Spoiler: click to toggle ^The hair is spikier there. By your logic, it looks like a different form. It doesn't. There is no consistency to how spiky hair is drawn in the series; that is something that just has to do with art style.
I'll make this easier for you to understand. Here's this pic of SS Grade 2 Vegeta: Spoiler: click to toggle And here's this pic of SS Grade 2 Vegeta: Spoiler: click to toggle Auras are different. Do they look like different forms? Also, why'd you ignore the part I said about SS1 Kid Gohan?
Your argument is SS2 looks different to SS1 because the aura is different. If that's your logic, those pictures of Imperfect Cell look like they're different forms because the auras are different. Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 4 2017, 09:04 AM.
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| + Emmeth | Feb 4 2017, 09:34 AM Post #83 |
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I don't know where that SS1 Goku scan is from, but if it is SS1 it's inconsistent. It was never like that in the manga or anime. Blame the artist. I say the anime is pretty consistent to begin with, maybe aside from certain filler fights or extended scenes. In one respect I can understand your plea here. And lastly, I never argued that there was a change in aura between SS and SS2, I only said SS2 adds lightning. |
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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 4 2017, 10:53 AM Post #84 |
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Neko Majin Z, drawn by Toriyama.
Bad Toriyama! ![]() Still goes to show SS1 has had lightning. Toriyama also gave SS1 Vegeta lightning there in Neko Majin Z: Spoiler: click to toggle And SS1 Goku right here: Spoiler: click to toggle And here: Spoiler: click to toggle SS1 Black has lightning in Super's manga, too. Granted, it's drawn by Toyotaro, but Toriyama supervises it and makes corrections where he sees fit. He clearly saw no need to make Toyotaro remove the lightning for SS1 Black: Spoiler: click to toggle Doesn't seem like an inconsistency. It seems more like as far as Toriyama is concerned, SS1 can have lightning like SS2.
With lightning? Nah fam there are plenty of times when SS2 don't got lightning
Lightning's part of the aura tho fam When you really get down to it, in DBZ, aren't aura and lightning essentially the same thing? They're both external substances that serve to make a character look powered up. How is covering a character in flames any different than covering them in lightning? Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 4 2017, 11:00 AM.
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| + Emmeth | Feb 4 2017, 11:51 AM Post #85 |
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I'm just gonna be obnoxious and disagree with you. |
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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 4 2017, 01:29 PM Post #86 |
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Don't get me wrong fam, I see where you're coming from with the "It doesn't have to look much different from SS1" argument. SS2 probably wasn't originally intended to be a different form when it was first introduced If the form was considered to just be part of SS1 (as in, it was just the same form and the name "Super Saiya 2" never existed), I wouldn't be complaining. My point is just that when you hear something's called "Super Saiyan 2", naturally you're going to expect it to look noticeably different. It doesn't, so the name "Super Saiyan 2" just comes off as false advertising. Nahmean? Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 4 2017, 01:30 PM.
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| Delicieuxz | Feb 5 2017, 10:26 PM Post #87 |
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I personally like SS2. The muscles become bulkier, the hair is a bit longer and is a lot pointier, there's electricity sparkling all around. I like how thick it makes their necks, too. |
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| ekrolo2 | Feb 6 2017, 12:01 AM Post #88 |
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It's too easy to become interchangeable with SS1, especially in the anime where they keep screwing it up. Toriyama should've kept the SS1 hair closer to it's Namek appearance and let SS2 be the "detailed" one if he couldn't come up with a more substantial difference than lightning and bang removal. |
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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 6 2017, 05:56 AM Post #89 |
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It'd still look like the same form, though. Spoiler: click to toggle These look the same form, just with different art styles. That's really all spikiness of hair has to do with. You don't think Gohan looks like he's in different forms here just because the hair is drawn spikier and more detailed in one pic, right? Spoiler: click to toggle Honestly, the problem with SS2 isn't its design, but its name. "Super Saiyan 2" makes one think it's different from SS1, when it's really supposed to be the same transformation. It should have just been considered to be a perfected version of Super Saiyan, nothing more. Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 6 2017, 05:57 AM.
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