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Super Saiyan 2's design is terrible.; title
Topic Started: Feb 1 2017, 09:08 AM (3,725 Views)
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Feb 1 2017, 12:47 PM
I think you misunderstand what I mean. That panel with Vegetto is when he just transforms, for the very first time, to Super Saiyan. SSJ does not have a consistent lightning around the form when fighting, only SSJ2 does. That's the main difference.
And yet it's still there. Doesn't matter how for many panels. It's there, people see it and that creates confusion as to what form is being used.
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Feb 1 2017, 09:08 AM
Only Kid Gohan's SS2 hairstyle is different from his SS1 hairstyle:
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Given that Kid Gohan is the only one who Toriyama had probably planned to go SSj2, it makes sense. Gohan's regular SSj hair is much less spikier than Goku's, almost like it's his base hair turned gold. When it came to other characters getting SSj2, their Super Saiyan designs had already been made, so trying to make SSj2 look different, while keeping it in line with Gohan's, would have been harder.

And of course at the time of Gohan's transformation, it was never thought of as "Super Saiyan 2", merely called a "Super Saiyan that has ascended past a Super Saiyan". So back then it was actually still considered just "Super Saiyan", but basically one that had broken through the Super Saiyan wall, kind of like what SSj2 Trunks did in the Super manga.
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Feb 1 2017, 01:25 PM
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Feb 1 2017, 12:47 PM
I think you misunderstand what I mean. That panel with Vegetto is when he just transforms, for the very first time, to Super Saiyan. SSJ does not have a consistent lightning around the form when fighting, only SSJ2 does. That's the main difference.
And yet it's still there. Doesn't matter how for many panels. It's there, people see it and that creates confusion as to what form is being used.
It does? I've never heard any confusion as to what form is being used (aside from the ever-lasting Gohan vs Dabra debate).
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Feb 1 2017, 01:43 PM
It does?
Yeah.

Was Gohan SS1 or SS2 against Dabra?
Was Gohan SS1 or SS2 against Broly?
Was Vegetto SS2 against Boohan?
Was SS2 ever used in GT?
Was Vegeta SS1 or SS2 in Battle Of Gods?
Was Trunks SS1 or SS2 against Black?
Was Goku SS1 or SS2 against Black?
Was Black SS1 or SS2 against Vegeta?


Have all been asked by people over the years.
Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 1 2017, 02:24 PM.
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Feb 1 2017, 02:23 PM
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Feb 1 2017, 01:43 PM
It does?
Yeah.

Was Gohan SS1 or SS2 against Dabra?
Was Gohan SS1 or SS2 against Broly?
Was Vegetto SS2 against Boohan?
Was SS2 ever used in GT?
Was Vegeta SS1 or SS2 in Battle Of Gods?
Was Trunks SS1 or SS2 against Black?
Was Goku SS1 or SS2 against Black?
Was Black SS1 or SS2 against Vegeta?


Have all been asked by people over the years.
I understand nr 1 and 2 here.

However, only misinformed or stupid people ask about Vegetto, GT and Vegeta in BoG. The rest are way too new to even consider, also doesn't matter since Goku, Vegeta and Black all have forms above it. Black didn't transform to SS or SS2 in the anime, for the record.
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Idk where you get this idea that ssj2 needs to look a lot different than ssj1. It's just a super charged version. It's supposed to just be suttle changes I think ssj2 is the perfect looking ssj form because it looks like ssj but better

That being said, while I think it looks fine...I was always annoyed with vegeta's ssj2 and now ssj2 trunks. Ssj2 goku and gohan have suttle changes but they're noticeable. With vegeta and trunks there's pretty much no difference between ssj1 and 2 except the consistent electricity
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Feb 1 2017, 02:37 PM
However, only misinformed or stupid people ask about Vegetto, GT and Vegeta in BoG.
Given that SS1 Vegetto and a couple of SS1s in GT had sparks, they're valid questions. Vegeta was lacking sparks (the only thing that actually sets his SS2 apart from his SS1) in Battle Of Gods, so that's a valid question as well.

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The rest are way too new to even consider


Doesn't matter how recent they are. They're examples of people being unable to tell SS1 and SS2 apart, so they're relevant.

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also doesn't matter since Goku, Vegeta and Black all have forms above it.


That's completely irrelevant. The other forms have nothing to do with people being unable to tell SS1 and SS2 apart.

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Black didn't transform to SS or SS2 in the anime, for the record.


He transforms into SS1 and has sparks in the manga.

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Idk where you get this idea that ssj2 needs to look a lot different than ssj1.


That's not even what I said:

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I'm not arguing Super Saiyan 2 should have looked drastically different to Super Saiyan 1, but it should have at least looked noticeably different.


Again, I'm not saying SS2 should have looked drastically different from SS1. It should have just looked noticeably different, so it'd be easy for people to actually tell the forms apart. Sparks and slightly spikier hair are not noticeable differences, as I already explained.
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I can always tell when Goku is Super Saiyan 2. Same with Gohan pre-Boo Saga. But I think I see what you're saying.

Even if you took Super Saiyan 3 Goku and put him in that picture with the regular Super Saiyans, a casual person would think he's just got really long hair. God, this post sucks. I hate mobile.
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Is anyone here able to see any differences between ssj1 and 2 vegeta's hair? Because I don't remember any differences
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I can if I pay attention, but at first glance it's nearly impossible.
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What's the difference then?
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Now? Almost none which is even more reason why they should've kept the original SSJ hair (in addition to it looking better)

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I meant in the manga. The anime is so inconsistent (that afro Saiyan hair lulz) that it doesn't pay to focus on the hair.
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They were pretty close in mimicking those shots from the manga.

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They would be more distinguishable if SSJ was still drawn like that. At this point they may as well be the same because SSJ has too much detail now.

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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

Toriyama recently stated that Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are simply "powered up" versions of SSj... and that Goku would never use them again after SSj Blue was discovered.

Super Saiyan 2 is very similar to Super Saiyan in appearance, and the differences can be explained by the changes in Toriyama's art style.

However, one of the easiest ways to see the difference in the manga is the time when Goku displays the SSj forms to fat Boo.
You can see the clear differences in his face between SSj and SSj2. I don't have access to a scanner so I can't scan them in right now.
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