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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 1 2017, 09:08 AM Post #1 |
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It looks way too similar to Super Saiyan 1, making it very difficult to tell the two apart. Sparks and the changes to the hair do not make much of a difference at all. The former is irrelevant; most people look at the character itself, not the lightning. Nappa had sparks when he powered up in the Saiyan saga; did that make him look transformed? No: Spoiler: click to toggle Aura and sparks are meaningless. Making matters worse, Super Saiyan 2 doesn't always have sparks. Super Saiyan 1 is often given sparks as well. The changes to the hair are meaningless: Spoiler: click to toggle Let's see here. Their hairstyles are all the same. The hair becomes slightly spikier, but that's completely minor and the series isn't consistent with how spiky the hair is. Spikiness looks like something that just has to do with art style, rather than the form itself. Goku also loses a few bangs, but that's completely minor as well. Only Kid Gohan's SS2 hairstyle is different from his SS1 hairstyle: Spoiler: click to toggle But it still doesn't look like its own form. If the hairstyle changing makes it look like a different form, then by that logic, practically everyone's Super Saiyan 1 form look like different forms: Spoiler: click to toggle ^ Do these look like different forms? No, they all look like the same form. Why? Because they all follow the same template (gold, spiky hair, gold eyebrows and green eyes). Their hairstyles being different do not make them look like different forms. Just as SS2 Kid Gohan's hair being different from his SS1 hair doesn't make it look like its own form. Put SS2 Kid Gohan in this picture and he'll blend right in; you think the average person would think, "Oh, Kid Gohan's a Super Saiyan 2" here? No, they would assume him to be a Super Saiyan 1 like everyone else in the picture. Because his SS2 (and anyone's SS2, for that matter) look like the same form as SS1. Heck, Gogeta's SS1 hair is basically the same as Kid Gohan's SS2 hair: Spoiler: click to toggle If a character has gold, spiky hair, gold eyebrows and green eyes, they're just gonna look like Super Saiyan 1. Regardless of their specific hairstyle. Period. Simply put, Super Saiyan 2 looks too similar to Super Saiyan 1. Because it looks so similar to Super Saiyan 1, it's difficult to tell it apart from Super Saiyan 1. I'm not arguing Super Saiyan 2 should have looked drastically different to Super Saiyan 1, but it should have at least looked noticeably different. Really, it should have made the irises red and added pupils: Spoiler: click to toggle Nobody would get the forms mixed up if it looked like that; literally all they would have to do would be to look at the eyes to draw a distinction. What do you think fam Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 1 2017, 01:38 PM.
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| Vegerot1990 | Feb 1 2017, 10:15 AM Post #2 |
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Super Saiyan 2 is just a powered up Super Saiyan 1. Its a perfected Grade form with more Speed and more Power unlike the unbalanced Grade forms. And Super Saiyan 3 is an even more powered up Super Saiyan with Energy drain. |
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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 1 2017, 10:17 AM Post #3 |
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It's not supposed to be the same as Super Saiyan 1. It should look noticeably different so you'd be able to tell the forms apart. When you're having trouble telling a design apart from something else, you know you got a terrible design. lol |
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| + Emmeth | Feb 1 2017, 10:35 AM Post #4 |
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You can tell the forms apart from the lightning. Also some of the bangs are different. |
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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 1 2017, 10:39 AM Post #5 |
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The lightning means nothing; SS2 doesn't always have sparks, SS1 often has sparks and sparks aren't a noticeable difference in the first place. People look at the character, not the lightning. The bangs changing isn't noticeable, either (and they only change for Goku and Kid Gohan). As long as the character has gold, spiky hair and green eyes, they are just going to look Super Saiyan 1. Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 1 2017, 10:39 AM.
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| + Emmeth | Feb 1 2017, 10:41 AM Post #6 |
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The lightning means everything, you can't say that it doesn't. When does SSJ have sparks/lightning? The only time I can the form has sparks is the initial transformation of each character, never since. |
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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 1 2017, 10:51 AM Post #7 |
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I can, because it isn't a noticeable difference to begin with, isn't always present and is often part of SS1. SS1 Vegetto has lightning when he first transforms in the manga. SS1 Majin Vegeta has lightning for one panel in the manga. SS1 Goku Black has lightning. SS1 Goku and SS1 Vegeta have lightning in Neko-Majin Z. And SS1 is given lightning several times in the anime. Official artwork for the series sometimes has SS1 with lightning, too. Lightning really doesn't mean anything. Nappa had lightning when he powered up in the Saiyan saga: Spoiler: click to toggle Did he look like he was in a different form? No, he was just powering up. People look at the character, not the lightning. Slapping lightning onto Nappa doesn't make him look like he's in a different form. Likewise, slapping lightning onto Super Saiyan won't make it look like a different form. Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 1 2017, 10:54 AM.
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| + Emmeth | Feb 1 2017, 10:56 AM Post #8 |
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There's a difference between what you call sparks and actual present lightning. While SSJ does have sparks from time to time, there's never consistent lightning like SSJ2 has. I agree that if SSJ had lightning, there wouldn't be a noticeable difference, but that's not the case. Well, I actually think SSJ2 is leaner than SSJ. |
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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 1 2017, 11:23 AM Post #9 |
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Sparks are lightning. Even when the lightning is only present with SS1 for a short moment, it's still present.
The lightning for SS1 Goku and SS1 Vegeta in Neko Majin Z was consistent. The lightning for SS1 Black in Super's manga was consistent. And regardless of how long the lightning is present on-screen, it's still there, making it difficult to tell the forms apart. Furthermore, you shouldn't have to wait and see how long the lightning is on-screen to identify what form the character's in. One glance should be enough. If not, then by that logic, official artwork of the series is meaningless as those are just single pictures. Except they are meaningful, because they're official artwork. lol c'mon son
There are times when it does have lightning, as already explained. And as said before, lightning doesn't make a character look like they're in a different form, anyway: Spoiler: click to toggle
There's no difference to the physique. Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 1 2017, 11:23 AM.
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| + Emmeth | Feb 1 2017, 11:43 AM Post #10 |
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Yes, sparks are lightning but in a much lighter degree. You can't compare the two like this. Neko Majin Z is very non-canon to me and Super isn't very consistent. |
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| Vegerot1990 | Feb 1 2017, 11:46 AM Post #11 |
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Lesser Super Saiyan forms can be trained to have a stronger Power Output. Look at Trunks Super Saiyan 2. Its as powerful as Goku's SSJ 3 without the strain. It could also be possible with Super Saiyan 1. |
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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 1 2017, 12:00 PM Post #12 |
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I can, because they look exactly the same. The lightning here (SS1 Vegetto): Spoiler: click to toggle And here (SS1 Majin Vegeta): Spoiler: click to toggle Look exactly the same as the lightning here (SS2 Kid Gohan): Spoiler: click to toggle And again, lightning is meaningless, too. It does not make a character look like they're in a different form.
Canon doesn't matter; it's still official material part of the franchise. Not everyone follows your personal canon criteria, anyway.
And it's still official material part of the franchise. It's relevant in this discussion. Edited by Scotty_Rogers, Feb 1 2017, 12:07 PM.
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| StrenuousSpider | Feb 1 2017, 12:10 PM Post #13 |
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I thought toriyama said that a sayain can use the power of ssj2 and 3 in one but thats been contradicted alot since i heard that. i do think they should have kept the hair like teen gohans with it being much longer then ssj it would have made ssj3 a less dramatic Chang. |
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| Scotty_Rogers | Feb 1 2017, 12:24 PM Post #14 |
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Even Toriyama forgot Super Saiyan 2 existed. lol |
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| + Emmeth | Feb 1 2017, 12:47 PM Post #15 |
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I think you misunderstand what I mean. That panel with Vegetto is when he just transforms, for the very first time, to Super Saiyan. SSJ does not have a consistent lightning around the form when fighting, only SSJ2 does. That's the main difference. |
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