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SSJ Gotenks (Saiyaman Saga) vs Fat Buu
Topic Started: Jan 31 2017, 11:52 PM (1,315 Views)
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Who wins?
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Gotenks still wins, but it'd be pretty difficult and he'd have to go in without fooling around...so maybe he loses after all.
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Gotenks wins, his power shouldn't be much different than what it was right before training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
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Gotenks is officially stated to be weaker than Vegeta before entering the Rosat.
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Gotenks is officially stated to be weaker than Vegeta before entering the Rosat.
Goku said that Gotenks would be stronger than him.

Where is that officially stated?
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Gotenks is officially stated to be weaker than Vegeta before entering the Rosat.
Goku said that Gotenks would be stronger than him.

Where is that officially stated?
Daizenshuu, which takes priority over the manga if something isn't spelled out in such a direct manner that a 1st grader could follow along.

I mean, if the Daizenshuu said Goku had corn rows when he went to bed every night, that's what we'd have to believe.
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The Daizenshuu states it, so that's the power structure on an official level. That's the way it is regardless of how you feel any statement made in the series should be interpreted.

Gotenks could surpass Goku if the boys kept on training and getting stronger. Goku didn't say anything about the immediate result surpassing him, not like he would know how strong Gotenks would be exactly anyway. Gotenks never ended up surpassing Goku, so it's moot.
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tfw Goku lies about Gotenks and Piccolo doesn't call him out on his blatant BS

Not gonna get into that again, though. Gotenks still wins, though it's much more difficult for him.
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Here we go again.

Gotenks still wins ableit with more difficulty. He shouldn't be that much weaker than he was pre-RoSaT in the Boo arc.

Edited by Slifer, Feb 1 2017, 12:30 AM.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Goku: It's alright Piccolo, as long as the kids can learn fusion, they'll definitely be able to defeat Majin Boo.

At which point, Goku bids farewell, finds himself a small newborn kitten, and eats it raw, swallow it soul so that it shall never find peace of mind again and then heads to a city. There he finds three gunmen, gives them some money and tells them to shoot a puppy and/or Mr. Satan...for the hell of it. Of course to make his point of being the world's biggest a***** so cruel that Freddy Kruger is calling him out on his sadism, he eats the third gunmen...soul and all.

Thus he leaves the Earth to die like the soulless Dementor he truly is.
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I agree with everyone else. I don't really have much, if any difference between Gotenks in the Saiyaman Saga and the one around Fat Boo. It might end up being a bit more of a difficult fight but the kid should still be able to win if he's serious...that which of course is also questionable.
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The same "implications" that people are using to say that Gotenks is stronger than Goku are the same "implications" that made people believe that Base Saiyans>Frieza. Look how that turned out.

Official word>all. Pre rosat Gotenks is weaker than Vegeta as stated. End of story.

Fat Boo stomps him with a smidgen more effort than he used to stomp base Gotenks.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

You heard it here folks!

The random statement of a guidebook that Toriyama states he had little to no involvement with takes priority over the actual statements he puts in his manga.

Let's also remember that Popo has a PL of over 1,000 and King Piccolo>God.

That's not in the manga? I don't give a s***, the guidebooks take priority.
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Don't take this guy's bait.

Gotenks wins with high difficulty if he fights seriously.
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Piccolo: Majin Vegeta is unusually strong, perhaps stronger than Gohan was against Cell.

Piccolo later: An army of SSJ2's can't beat Boo.

Piccolo watches SSJ3 Goku and Fat Boo fight.

Goku to Piccolo: The fusion will be even stronger than me.

Piccolo to SSJ Gotenks: Your power is incredible, but how's your speed?

Why would Piccolo even think about speed if this kid is weaker than SSJ Goku? You think as smart as he is, Piccolo's first reaction would be sheer panic along the lines of "Uhh no. No no no no no. You're a f***ing pissant and we're screwed if you don't make serious gainz." You know, like he did when Super Boo powered up.

But apparently a speed test is more important than being like 1/10 the power of your opponent.
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Piccolo asking for a speed test isn't an implication of anything.
Just like all of the "implications" of the Base Saiyans being stronger than Frieza ended up being pure delirium.

Gotenks was always a work in progress during his entire screen time during the Boo arc. He never surpassed Goku and was weaker than Vegeta prior to the rosat as stated officially. Gotenks at his full potential could've done it, but not the one we saw.
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