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| Daemon Keido | Feb 4 2017, 10:40 PM Post #61 |
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If you want my opinion, this is simply a standard "shock and awe" style move we saw from Trump since he began his campaign. He figured he could just overrun any particular resistance and the greater majority of people who OBVIOUSLY support him would keep the moutier dissent to a minimum. But that was predicated on him having been elected by the majority of the population. With that in mind, it could explain his obsession with having "won" the popular vote. |
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| Political Piper | Feb 5 2017, 12:16 AM Post #62 |
 
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I'd agree with that, but I think there may have also been some aspects of it that the new administration didn't foresee. I don't know why he keeps on with the illegal immigrant fraud. I mean I know why in a psychological sense, he wants people to think that he completely destroyed this election. He needs it to feed his ego. He'd be better off just sticking with the, "only California gave her the popular vote and I never campaigned there, and regardless the popular vote is irrelevant," argument. But no, I think he'll keep on defending this position and he'll open up an investigation and there will be some evidence found. 3 million votes though? I sincerely doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the tens of thousands in the whole country. Voter fraud is real and there is evidence of it, just not at the proportion Trump thinks. Edited by Political Piper, Feb 5 2017, 12:18 AM.
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| Daemon Keido | Feb 5 2017, 12:33 AM Post #63 |
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Agreed. I will not say voter fraud did not happen. But I will say it happened on boths sides but never to a degree that it ever changed an outcome. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Feb 5 2017, 01:36 AM Post #64 |
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Voter fraud is such a minor issue. Republicans have been going on about it for so long and have never drudged up any evidence that it's the big problem they claim it is. Some would say that it's just an excuse to institute laws that make it harder to vote, which would more heavily effect minorities and poorer people that would more likely vote Democrat. But that would be a crazy suggestion..... In today's news, Trump's having a meltdown on Twitter about the judge that put a stay on his executive order. Clearly he doesn't understand what checks and balances are. This once again shows all that is wrong with him. He can disagree with a federal judge's decision, all presidents do at some point. But all you say is that you're going to appeal it. That's it, all you have to do. Such a simple and obvious response. If he can't act like a president, I wish he'd act like an adult. |
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| Political Piper | Feb 7 2017, 01:34 AM Post #65 |
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It's minor with respect to the outcome, but it's more serious in terms of the foundation and the ethos of American culture. Hell, after Trump said he may not accept the election results we saw a massive amount of aspersions inundating the media, both social and news media; from both sides, republicans and democrats. It was on the news for a week straight that Trump is questioning one of the most important aspects of the american culture and values. It's not just partisan either, 80% of people support Voter ID laws, 95% republicans, 63% democrats, and 83% independents. It's common sense that you should have some type of ID to vote. Since you have to be an American citizen to vote, you should also have to prove your ID. It's not as stringent as people think: Driver's License, SS Card, etc. Roughly 3.5% of the US is composed of "documented" illegal aliens, undocumented illegal aliens probably take it closer to 4% or about 12.5 million. Undocumented being illegal aliens who don't take the surveys that ask about the immigration status or don't receive any welfare or benefits from the government. Although we look at the right to vote as nothing significant, there are those who have died while fighting for that sacred right to vote, or who have sacrificed everything for the right to vote - Susan B Anthony, MLK, Viola Gregg Liuzzo. Their dedication, struggles, and beliefs have literally changed history. To say it is a minor issue is kind of insulting to those who died for this right. Edited by Political Piper, Feb 7 2017, 01:36 AM.
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| Copy_Ninja | Feb 7 2017, 10:46 AM Post #66 |
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There's more people than you think that don't have those forms of ID. Like I said, it's poorer people that are most effected by these laws because they simply don't have these forms of ID on hand. I would argue that implementing regressive laws that restrict voting is a far bigger insult to their legacy than suggesting that people trying to defraud the system is not something to worry about. It's not effecting the integrity of elections and the proposed "solutions" only offer more serious problems. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Feb 7 2017, 07:26 PM Post #67 |
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-sheriff-asset-forfeiture-texas-234740?cmpid=sf Another example of unbecoming conduct. Even if you try and pass it off as a joke (which it blatantly wasn't), what kind of person talks about destroying another person's career, an elected official's no less? |
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| Political Piper | Feb 7 2017, 11:53 PM Post #68 |
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I think you're reading into this a little much. But I guess we'll know for sure when he does or doesn't destroy the Senators career.
I think you have it backwards. It actually does affect the integrity of the system, but it doesn't affect outcome. I also disagree about the insult to those who fought for voting rights years ago. I think they would consider it more of an insult if they knew the integrity of what they fought so hard for, could easily be ignored by saying a fake name and undermining the system. As for your comment about poor people not having access to ID - I think you are forgetting what constitutes ID. We can agree that a good portion of poor people receive some type of government assistance; not all, but a good majority. They need identification for those types of benefits. There are work ID's, school ID's, ID for health benefits, ID for social services, birth certificate, voter registration card, etc. I'm sure there are more that I can't think of. I think it's safe to assume those that vote probably receive some type of government assistance or at least are working at a menial job which will also require ID because of W2's and state taxes. Homeless people, or those who receive no benefits or don't have a job at all, probably aren't hitchhiking there way to a voting center. Again, I refer to the link I posted above that shows a poll (one of many) that the majority of Americans regardless of party affiliation, do agree with basic voter ID laws. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Feb 8 2017, 12:52 AM Post #69 |
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How is it reading too much into it? He 'joked' about destroying a man's career, that's not fitting behaviour in the slightest. There are certain expectations when you become President, and while Trump's met pretty much none of them, not making a tasteless, unfunny 'joke' (if it actually was one) isn't that difficult at all. |
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| Daemon Keido | Feb 8 2017, 12:55 AM Post #70 |
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And gods forbid if someone takes him seriously and actually moves to act on this joke. |
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| Political Piper | Feb 8 2017, 10:08 PM Post #71 |
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Your first comment said it wasn't a joke. I said you are reading too much into it. If Trump uses his executive authority to destroy his career than I'll agree with you. If he doesn't, then I'll maintain that you read too much into it. As for Trump's controversial words. You guys still make it seem that you are surprised what Trump says. There are thousands of people every day who take to Twitter and social media to whine about the "mean old Trump and his naughty language." I think the theory is that if you whine loud enough and long enough, eventually you will magically wish Trump away? Like Candy Man, but in reverse.. Not saying you in particular are whining, of course, it's more designed to those who have to display their "complete and utter disbelief" on an almost a daily basis, that a reality TV star who has been saying outrageous things for the past 6 years, continues to say outrageous things the last 2 weeks.
Yes, and all of those expectations were completely removed on November 9th by 33 states and 60+ million people. Now the expectations are no longer, "Mom, he said mean things to me" but instead, they have changed to the famous quote of, "actions speak louder than words." Sure, people can, and will continue to do so, discuss Trump's performance as President based on his tweets or statements and not on his Policies, but I can assure you that 2020 will be based on his actions as President. Remember, I don't like a lot of his tweets or comments either, but the only reason to constantly complain about what he says is to seek reassurance from other complainers that you have a valid reason to complain. So I tend to refrain from that type of behavior. Edited by Political Piper, Feb 8 2017, 10:12 PM.
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| Tinny | Feb 8 2017, 10:17 PM Post #72 |
 
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@Political Piper I'm not sure what you are suggesting, that we should simply accept unprofessional conduct as "normal," Shut up about it, keep awareness of his actions low, and basically let everything he does go unchallenged? Are we to simply shut up when we feel he does something that a president shouldn't do? Are we to shut up when we see him unfit for duty? What exactly are you asking of the people who do not like the way the new administration is speaking and acting, aside from telling them essentially to be "quiet and accept it?" The fact that we knew this would happen does not, and should not mean, that we should accept this and never criticize his actions. This is not normal, and we should not make this a new normal. If you honestly feel this is fine that is one thing, but I imagine that if you saw an administration from the White House that you did not view as helping the american people in any way and was in fact hurting both the United States and the world, somehow I doubt you would want to simply "sit back and accept it" as you seem to imply in that post. Edited by Tinny, Feb 8 2017, 10:21 PM.
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| Daemon Keido | Feb 8 2017, 10:19 PM Post #73 |
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No, the only reason to constantly complain is to reinforce the fact that this is how one of the most powerful men in the world acts with all the authority he has. Like bitching out a company for now extending the contract of his daughter's clothing line because it didn't sell well. Which in turn DEVALUED THE COMPANY in the stock market. That it is recovering is moot over the original act. And then the WH press team claims Trump was right to b*** about it because it was OBVIOUSLY a hit job against him in disguise. Despite having no evidence to prove it. I am not shocked or dismayed that Trump is acting exactly like he always has. But I am annoyed and enraged that we who don't like it are effectively told to sit down and shut up and deal with it. Edited by Daemon Keido, Feb 8 2017, 10:20 PM.
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| + Steve | Feb 8 2017, 11:20 PM Post #74 |
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Posted by Trump on Twitter: Now I'm no math whiz but hold on... 38 + I just...can't... 101% of Americans voted in the poll, it must be true and most certainly thoroughly checked, proof read and checked again. I'm really interested in seeing what happens with Trump, wonder what will happen with the country and it's people if he does get kicked out at some point? The country is already extremely divided. I wonder if it would truly be a good thing or lead to massive fights that potentially forever divide the country? Edited by Steve, Feb 8 2017, 11:21 PM.
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| Political Piper | Feb 8 2017, 11:45 PM Post #75 |
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That seems fair. I will break your post down for you. Before I begin I will say that what Daemon said is in post below is good. What the President does and what Trump says are two totally different things and should not be confused with one another.
No. You always question the "actions" of your elected officials. It is their job to do what's best for their constituents. But dissecting a President's actions by judging his First Amendment quotes are not compatible and should not be confused as such. You're free to do what you want. But you'd probably be better off listening to the other side and talking more with people in general, instead of getting upset about every non-trivial thing. And if you don't consider it a non-trivial thing I would say that saying you will kill someone (as an example) and actually kill someone are two completely different things. Which is essentially the point in my earlier post.
No, by all means question the actions of this administration to your hearts desire. But let's debate the the actions of the President, and not whether a joke is Presidential or not. Again, you are free to do what you want. But I'd recommend debate policy, and not if a comment is Presidential material.
This I agree. In 2008 when we heard the term, "elections have consequences," and later, "I don't need congress I have a phone and a pen." Those were comments that made a lot of people afraid. So I will acknowledge that comment and agree with you that we should not do that.
Progressives are all about doing abnormal things to further achieve, what they believe, policies that are best for them. Why should that be any different than Trump doing normal or abnormal things in the WH? But I do agree. We should not change what is fundamentally normal (NC bathroom law where men can use women's bathrooms and women can use men, etc.) That is definitely not normal, but the state legislature decided it's resolution and we just have to accept. Me saying how it is wrong and abnormal on a constant basis won't do anything but waste people's time reading my comment.
This is the most important aspect of your post. We should absolutely not sit back and willingly accept the "actions" of an administration if "we personally" believe them detrimental to the people. This has been happening for centuries and it should continue to do so. So I'm not sure why you brought that up?? I know I never said that in my post. We have to be careful in saying words are dangerous. The First Amendment is essential to the foundation of America and concluding that free speech affects the livelihood of people is a dangerous precedent to set. This election was anything but normal and to hold Trump on normal standards based on past Presidents use of Twitter after an unprecedented abnormal election and campaign from both sides, seems to be a poor aggregate to use to judge a President's code of standards. Again, you are free to judge actions by words all you want. I just think it lacks foundation since actions and words are two different things. My own personal belief anyway. If anyone has served in the military you will know that you don't always get along with someone. You may even hate each other, but when you are in battle you trust your fellow brother and you trust his actions that he will do what's best for the unit, and be default you, regardless of what he may have said in the past EDIT: I guess here's the kick of it all. There are many out there who completely disliked the common republicans and congressional republicans during the Obama era. They said they were obstructionists and they were also attacking Obama and Obama's actions and EO, but then Trump gets in office and there is an identical, complete reversal of roles. Democrats are obstructionists and Democrats are attacking Trump 24/7. The difference is that Obama was mostly attacked for his policies and actions. Whereas Trump is mostly attacked for his Tweeting and words. I guess I was just hoping things would be different this time around, but it's exactly the same as it was before. Everyone just has a new role in the affair Edited by Political Piper, Feb 9 2017, 12:17 AM.
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