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Impeach Trump Now
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 30 2017, 12:38 AM (5,039 Views)
Political Piper	Jan 31 2017, 03:38 AM Post #31
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	I saw that, it will definitely go up the flag pole. Did she quote any direct statutes it violated? Because Trump's whole order is within the statutes of the constitution in terms of purpose. I posted the link above. Controversial issues like this will have a sympathetic judge, or in the most recent case, the acting AG. But the Judge may be on to something regarding legal immigrants who left country before the ban, if the legal immigrants were indeed detained? If they weren't detained but only were told they can't come back until properly vetted, I don't see how her action will hold with respect to due process? I do not know if there is a retroactive clause in the Order? If there is than her ruling will get overturned soon. I'll have to go read over it again. I'm not a lawyer yet. As for it being impeachable offense. That's just wishful thinking. It would have to be something that is easily recognizable as being outside the constitution. This order is not it.
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Common2	Jan 31 2017, 03:47 AM Post #32
Posts: 171 Group: Member Member #11,263 Joined: April 25, 2014 Gender Male Country United States	So what constitutes an impeachable offense?



Daemon Keido	Jan 31 2017, 03:49 AM Post #33
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Speaking as a non-American, I assume anything that directly contradicts the Constitution would do.
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Political Piper	Jan 31 2017, 04:15 AM Post #34
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Common2 Jan 31 2017, 03:47 AM So what constitutes an impeachable offense? Well in theory, any act that violates the constitution and pisses of the american people to such a degree that it seems warranted. But like others have posted in this thread, a lot of it depends on who is the controlling party in congress. Johnson was impeached for violating the office of tenure act, Nixon was going to be impeached for violating campaign laws, as well as collusion, conspiracy to commit theft, fraud, etc etc and other nefarious reasons. Clinton was lying under oath and lies to the American people. So for those three, their guilt and acts were beyond contemplation. Everyone knew what the three did.. Whereas Trump's order can be disputed, likewise some of Obama's orders that I wont get into. I did do a little research into your earlier post, and I think I figured out what the judge was after. She said it is wrong for immigrants who were already granted citizenship to have to go through that process again. That Trump's order violated their rights by making them go wait to enter the country until they go through vetting again. I do agree with that order and I think that order will stay. But besides that, it appears Trump's order is in his right under the law. Edited by Political Piper, Jan 31 2017, 04:18 AM.
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*Copy_Ninja*	Jan 31 2017, 04:37 AM Post #35
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Impeachment is for three things: Treason, Bribery and High Crimes and Misdemeanors. The first two are pretty obvious but the last one is purposefully vague. Both US presidents who have been impeached (Johnson and Clinton) were for the last. Johnson was for removing one of his Cabinet members in violation of a law Congress had passed the earlier year, Clinton's was for perjury relating to his testimony to a grand jury about his relationship with Lewinsky. Nixon was going to be impeached for abuse of power related to Watergate but of course resigned before he could and was pardoned by Ford. It's a high standard (as it should be) and that's the kind of thing you're looking for. It's not even necessarily doing something unconstitutional (though if you did so in violation of a court order saying as such that would be a different matter).
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EMIYA	Jan 31 2017, 05:47 AM Post #36
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	At this point, we might not have to wait for Impeachment. Trump might not even have a Cabinet by the time this is over. His own Defense Attorney, Sally Yates was just recently fired for refusing to uphold his immigration ban. Which, I don't blame her, even if it's legal, it's a stupid and completely thoughtless plan that barely makes sense to begin with. But look at this, the guy's been in office for what... less than a month since his inauguration and 400,000+ people (and that's the number I saw last time a few days ago) have already been calling for his impeachment, countries like Mexico have rightfully given him the middle finger and told him basically "Screw you!" and even Defense Attorneys like Yates are pretty much ignoring his Executive Orders. It's kind of spectacular how much his short time in office has basically crumbled now. Edited by EMIYA, Jan 31 2017, 05:47 AM.



Daemon Keido	Jan 31 2017, 06:02 AM Post #37
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+ Emmeth	Jan 31 2017, 06:08 AM Post #38
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Starting at 4m7s this is a perfectly reasoned opinion on why Trump's Immigration Ban is so incredibly stupid. And that's only one reason.
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EMIYA	Jan 31 2017, 06:27 AM Post #39
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Also another note, according to the Gallup Poll, Trump may be facing one of the worst disapproval ratings for a President within such a short time period with a disapproval rating of 51% with only a 42% approval and the rest being unsure. Trump may have started off with the worst approval rating of any President at the start of his term since the Approval Rating System started with Truman. @ Emmeth And that's why it's so stupid! If you're going to ban certain countries, at least ban the ones that have actually had terrorist activities against the USA.



+ Emmeth	Jan 31 2017, 07:13 AM Post #40
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	EMIYA Jan 31 2017, 06:27 AM @ Emmeth And that's why it's so stupid! If you're going to ban certain countries, at least ban the ones that have actually had terrorist activities against the USA. Yep. I'm not saying he should be impeached on these grounds, but anyone can see that his politics and executive orders are flawed.
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Political Piper	Jan 31 2017, 01:11 PM Post #41
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	EMIYA Jan 31 2017, 05:47 AM At this point, we might not have to wait for Impeachment. Trump might not even have a Cabinet by the time this is over. His own Defense Attorney, Sally Yates was just recently fired for refusing to uphold his immigration ban. Which, I don't blame her, even if it's legal, it's a stupid and completely thoughtless plan that barely makes sense to begin with. But look at this, the guy's been in office for what... less than a month since his inauguration and 400,000+ people (and that's the number I saw last time a few days ago) have already been calling for his impeachment, countries like Mexico have rightfully given him the middle finger and told him basically "Screw you!" and even Defense Attorneys like Yates are pretty much ignoring his Executive Orders. It's kind of spectacular how much his short time in office has basically crumbled now. Well, she wasn't "his" AG. She was a left over from the Obama Administration. But yes, he did fire her and appointed a temporary AG.
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Sam	Jan 31 2017, 01:29 PM Post #42
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Jan 31 2017, 02:18 PM Post #43
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Political Piper, are you beginning to regret voting for Donald Trump? Only curious because of the dbzf awards.



*Copy_Ninja*	Jan 31 2017, 02:28 PM Post #44
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Trump values loyalty above all else. Look at his Cabinet picks, the only one of those that I think would offer any kind of dissent to his plans would be Mattis but we'll see how it goes. He removed the Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence from the National Security Council (the ONLY military and intelligence advisers on the council btw) and put Steve Bannon on it. He has no business being there whatsoever. That man has far too much influence in the White House for someone who did not have to face a Senate hearing. It was just a stupid political move to sack her, Sessions will be in within the next week. Just wait it out. But he couldn't do that because having someone go against him bruised his fragile ego.
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Political Piper	Jan 31 2017, 10:30 PM Post #45
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Overly Facetious Goblin Jan 31 2017, 02:18 PM Political Piper, are you beginning to regret voting for Donald Trump? Only curious because of the dbzf awards. I don't see why I would? Nothing he has done so far is detrimental to the country.. controversial, yes, but detrimental? No. And No I don't consider a memorandum stating Obamacare will be replaced is detrimental, nor do I think increasing immigration vetting procedures is detrimental. I do know that the reduction of regulations will help create more jobs and ease the burden on small businesses. The decrease of taxes will also increase the economy. So until Trump actually does something that hurts the country, there is no reason to regret someone who is controversial. But ask me again in a few months and we'll go from there EDIT: Copy, a couple things. Quote: He removed the Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence from the National Security Council (the ONLY military and intelligence advisers on the council btw) and put Steve Bannon on it. He has no business being there whatsoever 1. James Clapper shouldn't be anywhere near national security, not after he lied under oath to congress and to every single American. In my opinion, he should be in jail. He's also no fan of the Trump administration, and there's a theory floating around that either he or John Brennon were responsible for the alleged leaks given to Buzzfeed regarding the "peegate" scandal. Clapper even gave a statement where he politicized a disagreement between him and Kellyanne about when and where Trump received classified information regarding Russia. Eric Geller from Politico even expressed how it was very rare to see the DNI do something like that. The peegate is rumored speculation, but the latter is confirmed. 2. He didn't remove Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, that is a distortion of the truth. Spicer said in his press briefing that the Joint Chief is not "required" to attend every council meeting but he still has the voluntary option to do so. There was no replacing Bannon with the Joint Chiefs, there was no reversal of roles. Bannon was also an officer in the Navy for 7 years as well as special assistant to the Chief of Naval Operations at the Pentagon. He also has two Master's degrees one of them being in National Security Studies at Georgetown University. So despite what people think about him personally, he is qualified to be a member on the council. He may only meet minimum qualifications in some people's eyes, but qualifications nonetheless. Edited by Political Piper, Jan 31 2017, 11:40 PM.
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