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Impeach Trump Now
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 30 2017, 12:38 AM (5,040 Views)
Political Piper	Jan 30 2017, 03:34 AM Post #16
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Daemon Keido Jan 30 2017, 03:32 AM I would argue that with 8 years of time, if Obama COULD be impeached on those charges you listed, the Republicans would have ensured that he was. Yes, they should of. They definitely had enough evidence. The contention is that impeaching the first black President would cause quite the uproar and destroy the gop in the midterms. I do think they would have been more willing to impeach Hilary if she got in And Nagito, If Trump banned Muslims he would be violating the constitution, but since he isn't strictly banning them it is legal. Edited by Political Piper, Jan 30 2017, 03:36 AM.
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Daemon Keido	Jan 30 2017, 04:00 AM Post #17
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	If they had enough evidence they would have moved on it. They had far less with Bill Clinton and they still nailed him. Simply put, no matter how much you wanted Obama gone, he played out the clock and no Republican had enough to do crap with.
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+ Emmeth	Jan 30 2017, 04:19 AM Post #18
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I'm sure Trump will be questioned sooner or later for one or two of his choices as President. Impeachment is a very far step to take though, I doubt it's ever going to happen. Here's to hoping he f***s up enough to not get 8 years.
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EMIYA	Jan 30 2017, 05:05 AM Post #19
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Trump is banning Muslims and a slight change in wording to the Executive Order really doesn't change that. He is is banning several countries who just happen to hold strong Muslim populations, only allowing those of minorities such as Christianity to join in. He's banning the inclusion of Muslim immigrants under the guise of "protecting the country from potential terrorist threats." Which in some cases might be fine. It might be necessary to enact a firm order to keep certain groups from entering the USA until something proper could be done. That's a fine if not incredibly strict but with both legal and even understandable bounds. It's something that needs strong thought over and probably is not the best option overall. But when you enact this ban, don't include the actual countries have been known to hold terrorists who have acted attacks on the USA, then the priorities get skewed and people, as noted,d have asked why? As for Obama's Impeachment...firstly I think it's already questionable taking the words written by a former GOP Congressman as fact. I'm just saying it's easier to take seriously a more unbiased look. Plus as Dameon pointed out, if Obama's actions were that bad, he'd have been impeached or had attempts made in such. It's pretty clear that Obama's actions, even if they did break Constitutional Law, did not hit a level deemed aggressive. And some people may be going under the prospect of wanting to impeach Trump on their feelings and while technically Trump can't be impeached due to these attitudes he has, they should be heavily scrutinized. A President should be someone who is calm, collective and capable of working with different groups without calling them rapists. Now maybe Trump's attitude could be overlooked if he showed any competency of his office. Which unfortunately he has not. The personal aggression people have against Trump while maybe not in act of legal impeachment, should not be surprised. Trump's an a***, we all know this, he's not really tried to hide it. The guy has already done questionable things that have been noted already such as not showing his tax returns. The only thing keeping me from saying Trump shouldn't be impeached is due to the simple fact that it's too soon. The guy's barely in office, we don't know how his term is going to go and we have dealt with Presidents who have done questionable things. It's only fair, if unfortunately dangerous at some point, to see how the terms goes. If Trump's term is actually beneficial, we will forgive things like a lack of Tax Return. It's easy to forgive the flaws of a person if their actions ultimately end up being beneficial. Which means Trump is only a very thin line, he has actions against him, his attitude is poor and he shows little competency in running his own office. Quote: I'm sure Trump will be questioned sooner or later for one or two of his choices as President. Impeachment is a very far step to take though, I doubt it's ever going to happen. Here's to hoping he fs up enough to not get 8 years. Unless Trump's Term ends up being amazing and we were just wrong, he is not getting another term. Even if his term is good, his pompous attitude might just turn voters away. Right now, even ignoring the issues like not turning in his "Tax returns" and stuff like that. Trump has shown a very poor understanding of competence when it comes to the office.Trumps barely had, one may say, if any, real political accomplishments in the past. It's like people have said, Trump is a businessman...and one questions how good but that's another story. What is necessary is a politician and Trump has not shown those qualifications. It's hard to say if Trump will be impeached just because the impeachment process can be difficult. But I think it's fair to say Trump really better get his act together. Edited by EMIYA*, Jan 30 2017, 05:06 AM.



Sam	Jan 30 2017, 05:34 AM Post #20
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	And George W. Bush promoted torture and so is Donald Trump - openly - which is stated to be a violation of human rights unilaterally, IIRC, under the Geneva Convention. They all could probably be impeached in some form or another, Political Piper. At least Angela Merkel explained the Geneva Convention to the new President Edited by Sam, Jan 30 2017, 05:34 AM.
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*Copy_Ninja*	Jan 30 2017, 12:43 PM Post #21
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Impeachment is a pipe dream. You need 1. the House to actually pass Articles of Impeachment and 2. the Senate to actually convict him for whatever the charges are. The Republicans control both and we've seen, a countless number of times, GOP congressmen going back on their previous criticisms of Trump and going along with this insanity. In fairness I don't think he's necessarily done anything that he could be impeached for yet but I have no doubt in my mind he either will or he already has and it will come out later. They still won't do s***. I honestly think Trump probably could shoot someone on live tv and Paul Ryan would be all "I don't condone murder but I defend our 2nd Amendment rights. Also Obama probably shot someone at some point idk."
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* Yu Narukami	Jan 30 2017, 12:50 PM Post #22
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Copy_Ninja Jan 30 2017, 12:43 PM Impeachment is a pipe dream. You need 1. the House to actually pass Articles of Impeachment and 2. the Senate to actually convict him for whatever the charges are. The Republicans control both and we've seen, a countless number of times, GOP congressmen going back on their previous criticisms of Trump and going along with this insanity. In fairness I don't think he's necessarily done anything that he could be impeached for yet but I have no doubt in my mind he either will or he already has and it will come out later. They still won't do s***. I honestly think Trump probably could shoot someone on live tv and Paul Ryan would be all "I don't condone murder but I defend our 2nd Amendment rights. Also Obama probably shot someone at some point idk." I think they'll wear out the novelty of Trump and then discard him, to be perfectly honest. Everybody knows that he can't keep this energy up for four years, and eventually he's going to become more of a burden than anything else on the GOP. Pence, while still bad, is a much easier ride for the GOP, so they'd still be able to enact their agenda, just without the daily controversy and smokescreen that Trump provides.



Political Piper	Jan 30 2017, 12:54 PM Post #23
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Daemon Keido Jan 30 2017, 04:00 AM If they had enough evidence they would have moved on it. They had far less with Bill Clinton and they still nailed him. Simply put, no matter how much you wanted Obama gone, he played out the clock and no Republican had enough to do crap with. You're forgetting that Clinton lied under Oath, which is a crime in all of itself and their was plenty of evidence for it, not to mention he lied to the American people which didn't make people happy. I'm guessing if Obama did something that caused such controversy, than lied under oath and publicly to the American people, than he would have faced similar circumstances. Or don't you agree lying under oath is a serious matter from a sitting President? EDIT: I agree with what Copy said, which is what I was eluding to. He hasn't done anything yet to warrant filing the articles by the House, than conducting the investigation in the Senate. As of right now he has maybe pushed the laws in an ethical sense, but nothing to warrant impeachment. Edited by Political Piper, Jan 30 2017, 01:02 PM.
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Daemon Keido	Jan 30 2017, 03:12 PM Post #24
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	I would say if he is being this blatant this early, it is almost an assurance he will go further as time wears on. Maybe I'll be surprised but smart money is on him escalating due to us never seeing him de-escalate.
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Sam	Jan 30 2017, 11:22 PM Post #25
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	This isn't about Hillary or Bill Clinton, let's stay on topic. I agree with Copy as well, by the way. Although, this Muslim Ban thing has really gotten under my skin. He circumvented both houses and the media and has doomed many people. I don't know how people can say they're pro-life and then stand behind this man, who is leaving so many U.S. citizens and vetted refugees trapped in airports and wartorn countries to die. I can't condone this behavior, nor treat this like it's some silly joke anymore. The Doomsday Clock is the closest it's been to midnight since 1953 - and while I still will respect anyone that supports him and what he's done - I can no longer see your side of the picture in the slightest.
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Political Piper	Jan 31 2017, 12:13 AM Post #26
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Sam Jan 30 2017, 11:22 PM This isn't about Hillary or Bill Clinton, let's stay on topic. I agree with Copy as well, by the way. Although, this Muslim Ban thing has really gotten under my skin. He circumvented both houses and the media and has doomed many people. I don't know how people can say they're pro-life and then stand behind this man, who is leaving so many U.S. citizens and vetted refugees trapped in airports and wartorn countries to die. I can't condone this behavior, nor treat this like it's some silly joke anymore. The Doomsday Clock is the closest it's been to midnight since 1953 - and while I still will respect anyone that supports him and what he's done - I can no longer see your side of the picture in the slightest. Hey, I'm glad to see people are agreeing with me. Sure, I had to wait until Copy agreed with me, but I'll take that as progress. Anyways, I already said I'm against the holding Visas, but Title 8, Chapter 12, Sub chapter 2 § 1182(f) does give him the right to halt immigration temporarily, not ban, which is what his halt is, 90 days long. Banned is a misnomer, but when you say he circumvented the media, what do you mean by that? Sean Spicer said at the press briefing that they held 109 out of 325,000 people at the airports, and some of those people who held later said they understood why. Now I haven't went and looked all of this up, I will in due time, I have a party to go to for work... but if that's the case and this is indeed true, this appears to be another one of the media hyped scenario, like Katrina during Bush. But my question to you, Sam, besides what you mean by circumventing the media, is how many US citizens is he leaving in war torn countries, and where did you get that information? And can you please post a source? I haven't looked but that seems to be a serious claim, particularly since the temporary ban was on VISA holders and non- US immigrants, and not on US citizens, which would be unconstitutional as it contradicts the Freedom of Movement under the Privileges and Immunities Clause. I won't be back for a few hours but please post that source cause that could very well be the end of Trump.
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Dankness Lava	Jan 31 2017, 01:10 AM Post #27
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	Regardless of if I disagree, I haven't the power to dethrone him.



* Ketchup Revenge	Jan 31 2017, 02:11 AM Post #28
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	People misunderstand what "impeach" means. Most people think it means to throw a politician out of office, but it doesn't. It simply means to charge them with something. For example, Bill Clinton was impeached, but he stayed the remainder of his term in office. However, I agree with your premise. Trump is not fit for office. He's taking away the rights of legal US citizens via Executive Orders, and it has to stop.
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Political Piper	Jan 31 2017, 02:39 AM Post #29
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Ketchup Revenge Jan 31 2017, 02:11 AM People misunderstand what "impeach" means. Most people think it means to throw a politician out of office, but it doesn't. It simply means to charge them with something. For example, Bill Clinton was impeached, but he stayed the remainder of his term in office. However, I agree with your premise. Trump is not fit for office. He's taking away the rights of legal US citizens via Executive Orders, and it has to stop. Correct. The House files articles of impeachment, if it passes it goes to the Senate where they do a formal investigation than they vote on dismissal. You can be impeached but not removed from office, which is the case with Bill Clinton. What rights has Trump taken away from US citizens? EDIT: Buck Sexton, radio host and past CNN contributor tweeted - If the Acting Attorney General won't defend Trump's EO, maybe she should actually tell us what part of it is not legal. We can wait. Edited by Political Piper, Jan 31 2017, 03:09 AM.
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Common2	Jan 31 2017, 03:15 AM Post #30
Posts: 171 Group: Member Member #11,263 Joined: April 25, 2014 Gender Male Country United States	Political Piper Jan 30 2017, 03:07 AM Green Jan 30 2017, 12:38 AM I just saw this on Facebook. If the numbers are real, it already has over 400,000 people who have "signed". I'm not a fan of Trump but I personally believe it is far to early to attempt to Impeach him. He's done some questionable things but nothing I see to the extreme that would require that he be impeached. With little research I see that only 2 presidents ever (out of now 45) have ever even faced impeachment which shows just how hard it is to get to such a point. Do any of you think based off of what we know now that he should be impeached? What do you think the chances are that he does get impeached soon or ever. Absolutely not. Everything he is doing, including the banning visas, is within the law. Those who say he has done impeachable offenses are only saying that because they either dislike him or his policies. That petition is just a bunch of people upset over his policies.. But impeachable? No, as of right now there isn't. US District Judge Ann Donnelly ruled that detaining legal immigrants who left the country before the ban was instituted is in violation of the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution, specifically the due process clause: Quote: No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law It is up to the judicial branch to determine what is constitutional and what is not. In this case, Donnelly has ruled that detainment of these immigrants is unconstitutional, hence is executive order is unconstitutional. I don't know whether this is an "impeachable offense", but I'm not sure his ban is within the law. Some people even believe he violated the emoluments clause stated in Article 1, as soon as he took office.



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